Richard's Animorphs Forum
Animorphs Section => Animorphs Forum Classic => Topic started by: goom on September 15, 2009, 09:34:25 PM
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For what seems ilke forever, including this morning, I was able to get to a page that lets me click on a book cover and download the book. Now i cannot get to the books at all...every link I click just takes me back to the forum pages....help?!?
the blog posts:
Yesterday, I removed the RAF eBooks page of RAF which hosted the Animorphs eBooks and halted the eBook Project started over three (3) years ago. This comes on the heels of a very stern letter sent from a lawyer of Scholastic, the publishers of the Animorphs series.
Though Animorphs has long not been published, RAF, they claim, is infringing on their trademark of "Animorphs", and by having the "unauthorized" Animorphs eBooks online, "creates a likelihood of confusion as to the source of origin of the goods and services you provide and is likely to deceive and confuse customers into believing that (you) are owned or endorsed by Scholastic..."
I have therefore removed the eBoooks, and added a note on the website saying we are not affiliated with Scholastic, and replied to this letter in an attempt to remedy the situation.
What is for certain though, is that we will no longer provide eBooks for the Animorphs series or any Scholastic publication. What we will still continue to provide is a great Animorphs community for the few that still enjoy the series.
As per Scholastic's demands, RAF can no longer sanction the distribution of Scholastic eBooks, nor the implied distribution through other means. We hope that our members will abide by our decisions and will honor Scholastic and RAF's request that the eBooks remain defunct.
this thread was created September 21, 2010, 04:16:38 PM
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[spoiler]For what seems ilke forever, including this morning, I was able to get to a page that lets me click on a book cover and download the book. Now i cannot get to the books at all...every link I click just takes me back to the forum pages....help?!?
the blog posts:
Yesterday, I removed the RAF eBooks page of RAF which hosted the Animorphs eBooks and halted the eBook Project started over three (3) years ago. This comes on the heels of a very stern letter sent from a lawyer of Scholastic, the publishers of the Animorphs series.
Though Animorphs has long not been published, RAF, they claim, is infringing on their trademark of "Animorphs", and by having the "unauthorized" Animorphs eBooks online, "creates a likelihood of confusion as to the source of origin of the goods and services you provide and is likely to deceive and confuse customers into believing that (you) are owned or endorsed by Scholastic..."
I have therefore removed the eBoooks, and added a note on the website saying we are not affiliated with Scholastic, and replied to this letter in an attempt to remedy the situation.
What is for certain though, is that we will no longer provide eBooks for the Animorphs series or any Scholastic publication. What we will still continue to provide is a great Animorphs community for the few that still enjoy the series.
As per Scholastic's demands, RAF can no longer sanction the distribution of Scholastic eBooks, nor the implied distribution through other means. We hope that our members will abide by our decisions and will honor Scholastic and RAF's request that the eBooks remain defunct.
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For what seems ilke forever, including this morning, I was able to get to a page that lets me click on a book cover and download the book. Now i cannot get to the books at all...every link I click just takes me back to the forum pages....help?!?
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Hello Nodak, and welcome to the forum.
I do believe the reason why you cannot access the eBooks, is due to the fact that Scholastic is re-releasing the books.
Judging by a tweet sent by Richard via @RAFforum, here (http://twitter.com/RAFforum/status/25148744848), Scholastic has sent him an email asking him to take them down. I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that all of the books will no longer be accessible via RAF anymore. Best bet is to look for a .torrent or something.
The upside of a reprint brings downsides as well.... :(
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Just wondering/starting a discussion about the removal of the eBooks, what do people think?
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There would be a reprint if it weren't for places like us. ::)
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Is this due to a copyright thing or is the website down?
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The eBooks are gone? :(
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Yeah, wtf? Where did they go?
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Scholastic made Richard take them down.
http://twitter.com/RAFforum
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Lame!
but i guess it makes sense... with them doing the whole Ani 2.0 thing, it seems unlikely that they would let them keep going.
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Wow, that really stinks. I can see Scholastic's POV, but I couldn't agree with it less, especially since the e-books will probably turn up again, perhaps in less-reputable places than RAF. They haven't really fixed anything, and it's likely their move will cause users some issues.
Way to go, Scholastic. :dull:
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Kind of bad timing, as there's a girl by the username of ModernZelda at a Zelda forum that asked me if I read any good books lately. I told her about Animorphs, and that RAF had ebooks, and she said she'd take a look. Now they're gone, but hopefully ModernZelda will buy the rereleases.
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And now the eBooks forum in the RAFprojects section is gone? Are the Everworld and Remnants eBooks being taken down as well? It would be nice for us to know sorta whats going on... but maybe Richard is preparing a blog post... we'll see.
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Wait...the ebooks are gone?
-entire body shatters-
Oh god...now I have no reference for my fic and there's no Animorphs books in any of the libraries or second hand shops here in Singapore...
-sulks in a corner-
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All the e-books...
*sigh*
Going to guess that the publishers came down hard then.
Man, that sucks. I can just imagine how many fans were re-kindled to these series by these e-books. People are going to miss out.
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Wait...the ebooks are gone?
-entire body shatters-
Oh god...now I have no reference for my fic and there's no Animorphs books in any of the libraries or second hand shops here in Singapore...
-sulks in a corner-
Man, my reaction exactly. Japan doesn't exactly have copies out there for the taking... gonna have to find a torrent or something, now :(
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Well I did download half the ebooks or so before i got lazy and quit, so at least I still have the better half of the series.
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Man, my reaction exactly. Japan doesn't exactly have copies out there for the taking... gonna have to find a torrent or something, now :(
Yup it sucks. What's more the books in the libraries are declared as either 'missing' or 'gone'. Sigh, guess torrents are the only opinion if I want to write a good fic properly buuut....I don't exactly trust torrents :\
Ah well, nothing to do then....sigh TT^TT
Btw out of curiosity, are these re-releases like say improved versions of the old ones or just new books? Cuz that's gonna make me wonder if I'll have to completely redo my fic to fit the re-releases....sigh...
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I won't condone stealing, but THE thing is, you'd have to be a PIRATE to keep the authorities at BAY. They will SEARCH for you...
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I won't condone stealing, but THE thing is, you'd have to be a PIRATE to keep the authorities at BAY. They will SEARCH for you...
Agreed.
My biggest question is if all Animorphs forums are being requested to take down their copies of the eBooks... hmmm.... *heads over to another, but less popular, Animorphs forum to check*
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I won't condone stealing, but THE thing is, you'd have to be a PIRATE to keep the authorities at BAY. They will SEARCH for you...
Agreed.
My biggest question is if all Animorphs forums are being requested to take down their copies of the eBooks... hmmm.... *heads over to another, but less popular, Animorphs forum to check*
I think it would be a must for all forums to take them down...but I kinda thought this was the only forum here who had the ebooks. The old one I was in was just a...well forum that slowly died out.
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yeppers, though the other one I'm thinking of, doesn't allow you to get them without having a minimum post count I think.
What I find funny, is that Richard had DYK blog posts queued up about the ebooks. lol
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Also since stealing is no-no and I don't trust torrents...I guess I got no choice but to discontinue my Animorphs fic and the fanart. I have no reference to help me with.
What a bummer... I really liked writing my fic: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6308284/1/Alteramorphs_0_The_Alteration and drawing the art related to it (can be found here http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=6414.0)
...I'm gonna go back to playing Persona 3 Portable to take my pain away... =_=
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Also since stealing is no-no and I don't trust torrents...I guess I got no choice but to discontinue my Animorphs fic and the fanart. I have no reference to help me with.
What a bummer... I really liked writing my fic: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6308284/1/Alteramorphs_0_The_Alteration and drawing the art related to it (can be found here http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=6414.0)
...I'm gonna go back to playing Persona 3 Portable to take my pain away... =_=
What books did you use? All of them or just a select few? Because I'm sure there are members here who have saved them and would be willing to send you them. I, unfortunately, never saved any of them, because I own all of them and there was no need.... Ask around.
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yeppers, though the other one I'm thinking of, doesn't allow you to get them without having a minimum post count I think.
What I find funny, is that Richard had DYK blog posts queued up about the ebooks. lol
Ah ok. And that's kinda mean to me. :x
I think I also noted several topics that has to do with the ebooks...wonder what everyone's reaction will be.... -ducks and cover-
Guess we all can't do anything related to the ebooks. Fanfics, fanart, and topics related...sigh
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I won't condone stealing, but THE thing is, you'd have to be a PIRATE to keep the authorities at BAY. They will SEARCH for you...
If only we could go WAYBACK in time to get those e-books...
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What books did you use? All of them or just a select few? Because I'm sure there are members here who have saved them and would be willing to send you them. I, unfortunately, never saved any of them, because I own all of them and there was no need.... Ask around.
Well, my fic set after the Sickness and after David was turned into a rat (relevant to the story line). I already have started a few chps with those books but when it comes to maybe like fights with Visser Three, I'm still not sure how to write.
Basically, any book I have my hand on that gives references kinda helps me with the fic. :X Like the interaction between Marco and Rachel (elbow in the gut) etc etc
And I also have thought of future fics continuing from my first one (OH HELL! BRAIN! STOP THINKING!) and goes along the timeline with the rest of the books...so yeah...
Bleeeh...I think I went too far for this one fic. X__x
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I won't condone stealing, but THE thing is, you'd have to be a PIRATE to keep the authorities at BAY. They will SEARCH for you...
If only we could go WAYBACK in time to get those e-books...
i love this...
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Good thing I already have them all.
people are still probably going to find our ebooks. we just can't have them on RAF.
I won't condone stealing, but THE thing is, you'd have to be a PIRATE to keep the authorities at BAY. They will SEARCH for you...
well-said. :D
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Wow I was halfway thru book 43 lastnight log on today and there all gone what a letdown, bring em back richard bring em back
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I really hope the 'nasty letter' just said 'take the eBooks down, or else' and not 'take the eBooks down, you're in trouble already'. :(
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You can "buy" the ebooks on ioffer.com . Its soooo lame but you can do it.
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or just wait for the re-release.
ebay, too.
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or just wait for the re-release.
ebay, too.
Ok I asked this before but the re-releases, are they improved versions of the old ones or just a continuation to them? o_0
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releasing the same books. we aren't positive what they'll change, but it definitely isn't a continuation.
if they sell well.. who knows? :)
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releasing the same books. we aren't positive what they'll change, but it definitely isn't a continuation.
if they sell well.. who knows? :)
Ah ok makes sense. Hopefully they don't change too much but considering how people will want something new...fat chance.
Plus I bet that people will ask me, "Wait you based your fic on the old series? C'mon! The new ones' out so you might as well follow that! I wonder if you're an old person to still read those books."
=_=;
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I'm darkly curious what the letter said. :P This reminds me awkwardly of Serebii and Poke(r)Beach being required to take down their images when Nintendo got pithy.
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This reminds me awkwardly of Serebii and Poke(r)Beach being required to take down their images when Nintendo got pithy.
yup. they're copyright-happy this week. :P
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Guy and Ghosty, you two are full of win. ;D
And we knew this would probably happen for a while. Sorry for those of you who joined just a bit too late to download them. :-\
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ebooks taken down by scholastic? who the hell is scholastic??
hmmm.... so, i guess there something slimy, sticky on his/her/their brain called yeerks...
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Coral, Scholastic is the publishing company of Animorphs. K.A. and Mr. Grant wrote them; Scholastic printed them.
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ebooks taken down by scholastic?
not literally. told us to remove them. but same concept. :P
some publications of theirs:
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* The 39 Clues
* The Amazing Days Of Abby Hayes
* Allie Finkle's Rules for Girls series
* Animorphs
* The Adventures of the Bailey School Kids series
* Alvin, Simon and Theodore
* The Baby-sitters Club
* Bananas (magazine)
* Bionicle
* Bone (colorized editions)
* Captain Underpants series
* Clifford the Big Red Dog (series)
* Dynamite
* Dynamath (magazine)
* Freak the Mighty
* Genny in a Bottle series
* Ghostville Elementary series
* The Ghost Hunter
* Good Night, Sleep Tight
* Guardians of Ga'hoole series
* Goosebumps
* Geronimo Stilton series
* Grolier Multimedia Encyclopedia
* Harry Potter series
* History of My Back Yard series
* I-Spy
* Jigsaw Jones Mysteries
* The Magic School Bus series
* PLAY! Scholastic (magazine)
* The Hunger Games
* The Royal Diaries series
* Ripley's Believe It or Not! Special Edition (annual)
* Scholastic News (magazines)
* Science World
* Star Wars series
* Sunfire series
* The Scholastic Dictionary of Spelling
* T*Witches
* Warriors series
* Wishbone series
* Wow (magazine)
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Heart is broken, i just discovered those ebooks, they were so easy to get to! Now i want to know when the rerelease is going to be...
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well if they decide to back out, i am assuming that the staff of this board had the foresight to keep the files on hand, we can easily put them back up should they decide that there isn't enough interest in redoing the series.
assuming that we still have them...
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well if they decide to back out, i am assuming that the staff of this board had the foresight to keep the files on hand, we can easily put them back up should they decide that there isn't enough interest in redoing the series.
assuming that we still have them...
I'd like to say 'fat chance' again but meh...guess it depends on the future of this series. Heck the next generation might be born once they release it...and we might be replaced! :O
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i only just started re-reading because i found this site...was only up till book 4 then i realised everything is gone -.-
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Well damn.
And I was just about to get around to reading the Ellimist Chronicles. lol
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Ick, sucks. Well anyone who actually wants all of the ebooks can pm me for them if you don't trust a torrent and can't afford ebay.
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Ick, sucks. Well anyone who actually wants all of the ebooks can pm me for them if you don't trust a torrent and can't afford ebay.
-smiles widely and goes to hug Kitulean- THANK U THANK U!!!
I so do not trust a torrent and any online shop (actually, I can only buy textbooks for uni with my card since..well Singapore doesn't have a majority of them) Anyway, I'll pm you later cuz I haven't really started on my latest chp for my fic, "Alteramorphs: The Alteration #0". Been stuck on my art for a while. :x
Again, thank u! -hugs ya to death-
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np, it's just one RAR file with all of the ebooks. You just need winrar to extract them. The whole thing is about 28 megabytes all told. Should be a quick dl for anyone on anything faster than dial-up. It has 1-54, both Alternamorphs, all three chronicles, all four megamorphs, the vegemorphs parody, and Visser.
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np, it's just one RAR file with all of the ebooks. You just need winrar to extract them. The whole thing is about 28 megabytes all told. Should be a quick dl for anyone on anything faster than dial-up. It has 1-54, both Alternamorphs, all three chronicles, all four megamorphs, the vegemorphs parody, and Visser.
GLEE! :D -worships Kitulean on knees-
Again thank you. I'll ask you when I need them and btw which email u're using cuz I'm wondering if a file that big can be sent via email.
Thanks again! :)
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it's just barely too big for e-mail, but I could easily split it into two to send via that with no trouble. Right now I have it on rapidshare or megaupload. The ebooks work, checked by me, and I rar'd them and then uploaded them myself, so I know it's safe. But again, if you prefer e-mail, I'll just split them into two rar's and send two seperate e-mails.
Edit: Just so we're clear, megaupload and rapidshare are not torrents, they're a direct link to the file, same sort of deal you got when downloading before from this site.
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it's just barely too big for e-mail, but I could easily split it into two to send via that with no trouble. Right now I have it on rapidshare or megaupload. The ebooks work, checked by me, and I rar'd them and then uploaded them myself, so I know it's safe. But again, if you prefer e-mail, I'll just split them into two rar's and send two seperate e-mails.
Edit: Just so we're clear, megaupload and rapidshare are not torrents, they're a direct link to the file, same sort of deal you got when downloading before from this site.
Well you can send me by email. I don't mind either way. Of course, I have tried downloading (other stuff) from those websites but I don't know, I can't seem to get them (I wait and wait and in the end nothing comes).
I think those websites hate me. :\
Anyway I'll try that in rapidshare or megaupload. If I encounter problems, I'll let you know. Thanks again!
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Sure thing, when you want them, just let me know. I'd be glad to split them into two so that I can e-mail them. Gmail allows up to 25 mb and they barely edge over that at 29.
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Sure thing, when you want them, just let me know. I'd be glad to split them into two so that I can e-mail them. Gmail allows up to 25 mb and they barely edge over that at 29.
Ok then :) And again thank you.
Now then, I must finish up my fanart and get started on the next chapter~! CHARGE! -runs with tablet pen and shield against her artist's block-
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Wow, it is amazing how many lurkers popped out of the woodwork when the ebooks were pulled down. >_> <_< I feel used. :P
Adam, I checked AFF last night and their copies of the ebooks are still up, but yes you need a minimum post count (5 posts) to access them. I have no doubt that they will take them down as soon as news reaches them.
To everyone: we are taking care of the situation as we are best able. While it is really unfortunate of Scholastic to harp on their largest fan community there really isn't anything we can do about the ebooks right now. Bottom line is that they own the books and they have every right to demand that we remove them, especially with the rerelease which may contain its own ebook options.
It sucks, but that's how it is, at least for right now.
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OK, please everybody, calm down. I just saw that the Ebooks were removed, but don't forget I [...]
I know you think about torrent and stuff, but forget it: Pirates don't use Torrent anymore ^^' They use DDL (direct download now), it's harder to catch people who download like this. [...]
Edit: I edited my message, see? But I meant it.
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Well I never used the ebooks (I own the entire collection) and we all knew this day was coming, I'm almost surprised it didn't happen sooner. Still, it's like the end of an era for all RAFians. The ebooks started the increase in members that made us what we are today, and for that I am very grateful. True it also gave us a huge amount of lurkers, but if it wasn't for the ebooks I know some awesome members wouldn't be here right now.
I can understand Scholastic wanting us to remove the ebooks, but what irritates me is their timing. There wouldn't even be a re-release happening if it weren't for dedicated fan forums like us keeping the memory of Animorphs alive. Therefore, it's a little insulting that they wait until the re-release is due before asking us to take them down. It's like they're saying "thanks but no thanks." ::)
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While I am glad to see others taking up the cause, I have deleted my ebook copies (though all I had was Everworld). I had hoped to convert them all to mobi files for ebook readers (such as the kindle), but since there was a take down request I won't be doing that after all. I can't afford the legal fees / damage. Also, I am hoping Scholastic will release official ebook copies as well.
Anywho, I wish you all luck and hope this community stays in good shape.
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Thanks... you should stick around! :) I think we're a pretty nice bunch!
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well... now the lurkers appear. XD :P
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Please don't confuse what I'm about to say with anger - I'm not angry about this, I actually completely understand why scholastic feels the need to do this, I know how copyrights work and all that, and if I ever get my own novel done and looked at by someone, I would want them to protect MY best interest and honor my copyright. That said....as some have said, I'm surprised the ebooks lasted as long as they did. However...from the fan perspective, there are a few points I'd like to share.
I have to agree with mike there on the "thanks but no thanks" comment, as an animorphs fan from the beginning - I own *most* of the series but not all, and while I totally respect copyrights, I don't think this was the best way to do it - now if I want one of the books I don't have, I either have to spend a fortune on ebay (which doesn't go to scholastic either, mind you), wait for the reprint (can we say twenty years?), or download it illegally off another site (which I honestly don't feel safe doing!). Y'know...its been way over ten years on these, they could lighten up just a little, it won't kill them, and if they change the references to make them more modern, how can they complain if people have or still want the originals? Its a horse of another color!
But that's not really what I have the biggest problem with - I can still get around the ebooks thing for a while.
What I have the problem with is that they say "no, you guys aren't affiliated with us, you have to say that on the front page". You don't want the largest, most loyal animorphs community, the ones who paid your paychecks with as many animorphs books as we all bought, to be mistaken for scholastic? No doodie we're not affiliated with you guys, I don't think anyone who's even just browsed our posts has ever gotten confused about that one. Its kinda ridiculous when, on the front page, we all know it's RICHARD'S animorphs forum. It doesn't say scholastic animorphs forum.
From a legal perspective, I completely understand it and I'll respect it, but from the point of view of that girl who picked up an animorphs book so long ago, this is kinda like being kicked off the team without any real reason.
Aren't they to take some responsibility here as well? They've all but scorned the people who wrote the series they're making money off of, and do they know what other kind of stuff is out there online? Ebooks here should have been the very least of their worries - they should work on shutting down things with a slightly higher level on the scale, like websites promoting acts against animals that will result in a felony charge - like the feeding kittens to snakes website, or puppy mills - or those websites that involve illegal acts with their target demographic - children. Worry about something larger, god forbid they really make a difference in this world.
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Ha ha, yeah I am quite the lurker. To be honest, while I was here lurking pretty early for Everworld ebooks, I eventually just bought the set. Back then everyone was still working on getting book 2 or 3 out and I just needed more.
Not that Scholastic got a cent of that money. I bought them used on amazon.
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Scholastic sound like douches. I mean, I'm sure there have been loads of people become fans of Animorphs via the books. Shouldn't only books 1 and 2 be taken down? I doubt they'll be reprinting the whole series :huh:
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Aren't they to take some responsibility here as well? They've all but scorned the people who wrote the series they're making money off of, and do they know what other kind of stuff is out there online? Ebooks here should have been the very least of their worries - they should work on shutting down things with a slightly higher level on the scale, like websites promoting acts against animals that will result in a felony charge - like the feeding kittens to snakes website, or puppy mills - or those websites that involve illegal acts with their target demographic - children. Worry about something larger, god forbid they really make a difference in this world.
What does animal abuse have to do with a book publishing company?
I am disappointed that they don't want any affiliation with us, but those are the breaks I guess.
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Yeah, animal and child abuse and the like are not the jurisdiction of a publishing company. That's government agencies and maybe, maybe non-profits.
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I don't really get it. They are letting fears get the best out of them and seem to be poorly marketting this re-launch. So far the only way I've heard of this re-launch was through the efforts of fan base.
Here at RAF, we are an explicit fan base of their franchise. They were e-books!!!! BY THE FANS and c-o-m-p-l-e-t-e-l-y non-profitable.
What better way could they want to divulge the re-launch of their product than through this big fan support base?!?!?!
The material is good, and readers will want the real hard copy if they get to these cyber facsimiles first.
The ONLY reason I could see for them to cut it off is for premise spoilers, which any of the new generation fans are going to get through some unwitting previous fan.
Word of mouth is the marketting way of the 21st C!!!
Please don't confuse what I'm about to say with anger - I'm not angry about this, I actually completely understand why scholastic feels the need to do this, I know how copyrights work and all that, and if I ever get my own novel done and looked at by someone, I would want them to protect MY best interest and honor my copyright. That said....as some have said, I'm surprised the ebooks lasted as long as they did. However...from the fan perspective, there are a few points I'd like to share.
I have to agree with mike there on the "thanks but no thanks" comment, as an animorphs fan from the beginning - I own *most* of the series but not all, and while I totally respect copyrights, I don't think this was the best way to do it - now if I want one of the books I don't have, I either have to spend a fortune on ebay (which doesn't go to scholastic either, mind you), wait for the reprint (can we say twenty years?), or download it illegally off another site (which I honestly don't feel safe doing!). Y'know...its been way over ten years on these, they could lighten up just a little, it won't kill them, and if they change the references to make them more modern, how can they complain if people have or still want the originals? Its a horse of another color!
But that's not really what I have the biggest problem with - I can still get around the ebooks thing for a while.
What I have the problem with is that they say "no, you guys aren't affiliated with us, you have to say that on the front page". You don't want the largest, most loyal animorphs community, the ones who paid your paychecks with as many animorphs books as we all bought, to be mistaken for scholastic? No doodie we're not affiliated with you guys, I don't think anyone who's even just browsed our posts has ever gotten confused about that one. Its kinda ridiculous when, on the front page, we all know it's RICHARD'S animorphs forum. It doesn't say scholastic animorphs forum.
From a legal perspective, I completely understand it and I'll respect it, but from the point of view of that girl who picked up an animorphs book so long ago, this is kinda like being kicked off the team without any real reason.
Aren't they to take some responsibility here as well? They've all but scorned the people who wrote the series they're making money off of, and do they know what other kind of stuff is out there online? Ebooks here should have been the very least of their worries - they should work on shutting down things with a slightly higher level on the scale, like websites promoting acts against animals that will result in a felony charge - like the feeding kittens to snakes website, or puppy mills - or those websites that involve illegal acts with their target demographic - children. Worry about something larger, god forbid they really make a difference in this world.
Totally behind ya on this one, Iron Frog. ;)
::) It will be interesting to see if/when they will say anything about our other projects, (ref. Graphic Novel, Audio Book Project)?!?! "Your aesthetics are not with what we view as our trademarks, please cease and desist this project."
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Doesn't sound like they even use the word please.
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Doesn't sound like they even use the word please.
Oh no they did not.
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As a children's publishing company, I would think they have a responsibility to provide a good source of role-models for young children to young adults. I used those as examples - and examples only, that was just a "for instance", chosen almost at random to make my point that they could be doing something better with their apparently bored legal team - because what is animorphs about? Children and animals.
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Yes, but they're a publishing company. Their legal team's job is to protect their copyright, and they do probably have the legal backing for their claim. We can argue about whether or not it's a smart move for them to make the eBooks go down, but it's their job to do so. It's not their job nor their prerogative to protect children and animals just because the series is about children and animals. That's just silly.
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As a children's publishing company, I would think they have a responsibility to provide a good source of role-models for young children to young adults. I used those as examples - and examples only, that was just a "for instance", chosen almost at random to make my point that they could be doing something better with their apparently bored legal team - because what is animorphs about? Children and animals.
the problem is the company part of the "children's publishing company." While i may be wrong on individuals within the corporation, the company as a whole has one goal and that is to make money. They probably don't expect to make more then a marginal profit. But, from what i can gather, they were surprised the first time around. If it hits big they want to be able to claim sovereignty over the info. How many of us looked for Animorphs info online when we were young? a decent amount, i'd guess. if your the target audience and you find copies for free online you might just take those instead. Especially as a kid with no income. And like someone had mentioned, word of mouth is one of the keys to advertising. Back in when i was first reading thesel, the moment i figured out about this every one of my friends would have known. And, i wouldn't really have gotten the whole copyright issue. They know, for a fact, that the books won't disappear from the internet, but they also hope they can offset any profit loss they have. How many kids in their target audience are heavy into pirating?
That all being said, i still think its a douche move on their part. Especially the way they did it. I didn't see the letter, but i know enough about corporate types to assume that they probably brought up the possibility of legal action. The fact that this forum probably kept the flame going through the post publication years really doesn't bother them, as they figure we'll all buy them anyway. you know, the whole "true fan" stereotype.
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Okay, you're kinda missing the point, I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough. My point was that there are worse things in the world than a bunch of old kids who enjoy their very old series a little too much.
Getting back on topic...
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This is so sad :(
Lucky that i downloaded all of them before as a back-up.
Hopefully they'll be back someday years and years later.
along with the 2.0 e-books. ;)
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I was checking how many doubles of books I had. I know I had a few, but I must have given them to my sister. I was going to offer to mail them to whoever wanted them.
I've got: A double of 26, part 1 of Megamorphs 2 and a french copy of book 4.
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Any chance I could get dibs on 26? I'm missing that one and it's one of my favorites.
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Scholastic sound like douches. I mean, I'm sure there have been loads of people become fans of Animorphs via the books. Shouldn't only books 1 and 2 be taken down? I doubt they'll be reprinting the whole series :huh:
Unless they're really popular, they won't.
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I don't see why they wouldn't reprint the whole series, especially if all they change is the covers.
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No problem! Just PM me where to mail it to and it's all yours. ;D
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Hey, just shouting at the wind here, but is there any reason we can't create an e-mailing list privately among ourselves solely for the purpose of sharing e-books?
I have a few friends who are in a sort of club that makes discographies ripped (carefully) straight from vinyl and uploads them into e-mails sent to everybody else in the club; they're like a teeny tiny micro-limewire of just five or six music geeks.
Considering so many members of RAF have saved the e-books in backup or other forms, is there any real reason not to make such a list.
I propose this: if one wanted to be placed on such a list, one might simply put an alternative e-mail address in one's signature, perhaps in a visible font colour.
It's... an e-book Underground Railroad! :D
*sigh* I need more sleep, or else it's too obvious a notion.
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I wouldn't have a problem with it if I could buy Animorphs in electronic format for my eReader.
Taking away the eBooks here and giving people no alternative is kinda stupid. Like musicians that make their best songs 'album only.' Because yes, people will totally pay $12 when they want one of your songs.
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Halalalala =_=' I think nobody even read my previous message... And maybe nobody will read this one either. Well, let's try again:
They won't catch you because you download an Ebook on a website! You won't pay a fortune just for that! Trust me, if you stay away from Emule and Torrent, you don't risk anything, particularly for one book.
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Then, for people who want to buy the old release (you can find not expensive ones if you check all the websites regularly):
Ebay US (http://books.shop.ebay.com/Books-/267/i.html?_nkw=animorphs&_catref=1&_dmpt=US_Childrens_Books&_fln=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282) (just saw 33 books sold for $10!)
Ebay UK (http://books.shop.ebay.co.uk/Books-Comics-Magazines-/267/i.html?_nkw=animorphs&_catref=1&_fln=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282)
Abebooks US (http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=Applegate&sts=t&tn=Animorphs&x=0&y=0)
Abebooks UK (http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?an=applegate&bt.x=0&bt.y=0&sortby=3&tn=animorphs)
Amazon US (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=animorphs&x=0&y=0) ($0,01/book, really expensive ::))
Amazon UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=animorphs&x=0&y=0)
Amazon Japanese (http://www.amazon.co.jp/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?__mk_ja_JP=%83J%83%5E%83J%83i&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=%83A%83j%83%82%81%5B%83t&x=0&y=0)
So I'm sure you can find them pretty cheap!
For the audiobooks, I'd say: Be careful! Somebody must keep all the release of the audiobooks, so if there is any problem you can keep them.
And for the Ebooks, [...]
The releases won't appear in all the countries, all the books probably won't be re-released, and if there are changes maybe people will want to keep the old version. Plus, I personally own all the books, but not all of them in English, and I don't see why I'd have to delete them from my computer and buy them in English too.
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Edit: I edited my post here too... but you know what I mean.
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Yeah, as I said earlier in the thread, Dameg, I have the books as well and am willing to either e-mail them or provide a direct download link to anyone who asks for it.
When the new books are ACTUALLY released I MAY stop this practice. But right now there's very little other easy way of getting to the books, and the authors themselves have stated having no problem with the practice, iirc.
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I haven't read everything since you all put out six pages in less then a day but
There would be a reprint if it weren't for places like us. ::)
a-***ing-men
I get it, I do, yay capitalism ::), but for years it's the fans that have supported this series in more then just finances, and now that it's taking a gamble on thriving on our support, they...do this. Lame. freaking lame >:(
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I'm glad I nabbed them all a while back. ;)
I mean um, I totally don't have them, at all. Yeah. *coughs* ...In my defense, I do have most of the books in actual release form too. :P
Still, Scholastic has every right to do this, they could have asked for them to be taken down even WITHOUT a re-print coming, so I'm just glad they waited till a re-print was indeed in the works.
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I wonder if this is anything like manga streaming. You can get free manga online, and I heard companies are criacking down on it and fans are commenting on it. However, the streamers really aren't supposed to do it and the companies have every right to enforce the law.
I wonder if having these ebooks is actually illegal, and if it is we really don't have any right to complain.
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I'm with [edit], nobody here should just forget about the e-books.
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Dameg, just as a side note, i am pretty interested in this Direct Download you had mentioned earlier. I honestly hadn't really heard of it, and am sort of surprised by it.
not that i don't believe what i said, or still want it, but for the good of others (and to be in accordance with the blog.)
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I wonder if this is anything like manga streaming. You can get free manga online, and I heard companies are criacking down on it and fans are commenting on it. However, the streamers really aren't supposed to do it and the companies have every right to enforce the law.
I wonder if having these ebooks is actually illegal, and if it is we really don't have any right to complain.
I can only imagine that it is a very similar situation. I think sometimes it falls into a legal 'gray area' though, and that's where I think these e-books here fell into. To use an example, suppose there were e-books for like...Twilight or Harry Potter (which I'm sure there are somewhere). Those would be much more prosecuted by Scholastic right now, because those are hot properties that have legal ways of getting the books very abundant right now, you can buy them or check them out from just about any library. Animorphs however, is an older property that until recently they'd all but forgotten. You can't find them new in any bookstore I'd wager, and it's even gotten really rare to see more than a few of them in a library (my local one only has three the last time I checked). So they may have known about the e-books here the entire time and just kind of looked the other way, since it wasn't all that big a deal at the time. If they'd wanted to though, they could have demanded their removal at any time, I assume.
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For manga, it's a question of rights bought by this or this country.
For example, when the US buy the rights for a manga to translate it and sell it, they usually have to buy the rights for each volume. So, for example, if they bought the rights for Naruto #1 to 20 (because there were only 20 volumes when they began to translate), they still don't own the rights for #21 etc. and it is accepted that fans provide on Internet the volumes #21 etc. translated. But the fans have to take down their scanlations as soon as the volumes are released in their country. That's why so many manga are downloadable on Internet: there are many many manga who were never (and probably won't ever be) translated.
For the Ebooks scanned from actual books, it isn't the same, 'coz the editor already has the rights on them. And it keeps these rights for decades. Here, what would be accepted are the translations of books who weren't translated (but you have to be careful if they're translated after that).
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In fact, I'm pissed off they were rude to Richard... We were thinking about turning the Ebooks into extracts to make people want to read more, or this kind of stuff. But how they did it... it awoken the evil-Dameg!
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Edit: Edited here too, but still, you know what I meant.
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Just a thought: Admitting to having copies of the e-books (which scholastic is obviously unhappy about), and offering to send them to others after they made it VERY clear that they do not want them distributed is probably not the best idea. I'd recommend to any of you who have made these posts that you edit them so you don't find yourself in any sort of trouble with Scholastic.
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Exactly. Technically, any scanlator doesn't have the right to upload any manga that we don't have here yet/will never get, but at the same time, most don't mind as bad compared to someone like scanlating something we've had for a long time now.
That's why some hosting sites for that have gotten in trouble and shut down, because they keep entire series online for all time. Well, that and the most recent and large incident when OneManga shut down, they were also trying to sell the domain and make money off of stuff they didn't own at all, which is an entire other set of wrongs. :P
It's unfortunate if they were rude to Richard though, I didn't read the first so many pages of this. They could have at least been tactful about it. :(
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I don't know what they said exactly, or if Richard posted their exact words, but there isn't any reason to be callous. There should actually be some appreciation on their side to see a thriving forum for a series that's been dead over ten years. The series ended some time in 2001, right? It's just bad PR.
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I agree. Fortunately I never had/used eBooks, just physical copies.
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Ghost, Id on't think that would help anything. That may prevent 200 or so books from being sold, MAX. Scholastic has book orders that go out to hundreds of thousands of schools throughout the US, and those book sales account for a large portion of the books sold, I'm sure.
While it seems unfair, scholastic has the right to ask for those books to be taken down by any means they deem appropriate. It has been discussed MANY times on RAF that there was the potential that the books would be taken down, and that having them here might even be illegal. I'd just be grateful that they didn't immediately pursue legal recourse against Richard/RAF.
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The chances of them making a continuation of the series is dependant on rerelease sales. And aside from the fact that I have the opportunity to just buy the whole collection and not mess them up through overuse, then I'm disagreeing with that idea. I say buy them. Swallow your pride and buy the books anyway for the good of the series.
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you guys are kind of being babies about this. It's not your right to have these books, but if you want to share them, be a real Generation Y-er and do it discreetly.
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I'm with Chad and Jess. No offense Luke, but that's exactly the sort of knee-jerk reaction that'll make sure we never get anything else new for this franchise ever again. Sometimes you just have to buy a lesser product (in other cases, not this one), or swallow your pride and take some crap, to get somewhere. If we want Animorphs to have any chance at all to get big again, we have to support this re-release despite what bad PR they're using as of now.
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Back on-topic, has anybody managed to get Applegate's opinion or Grant's opinion on this? I would love to see whether they back Scholastic or RAF.
I'm guessing that they are quite aware, considering MG follows Rich on Twitter, along with Jake. Back in the day when we got them to come answer questions, they said they can't give us permission to do the books, but at the same time they weren't going to tell on us either (or something to that effect).
But another point I want to make, is that these new re-releases won't be the same as the eBook versions we had (content wise). Wasn't it said that there were going to be a re-release with new covers and updates?, as in updates to the content. Remember, these books were originally written when other things were popular. ex:
References in books to Walkmans will be changed to iPods or something, because think about it, how many grade 2 kids out there REALLY know what a Walkman is??
So, that being said, will the ebooks that we have now, be considered NOT the same as what they're republishing? I know that if I wanna go read an Animorphs book (and I didn't have the physical copies), I would want to read it like I remember, the way I read it back in the day, which this reprint cannot provide. But again, the books are property of Scholastic and they do own the copyright, and nothing will change that... :(
But a question that I would like to ask KA/MG (going off topic a bit here) is if the new print will be set back then, or will it be set in 2011 for example? Cause I ain't readin no books where Jake is a kid TODAY. lol
Anywho... I made a topic a LONG time ago about my local thrift stores having a bunch of the first twenty-something books, that I would be willing to send your way if you want. If you want one, I can look, but remember: this is from a thrift store. a $2.50 CAN (plus s&h) book in most likely rough shape, may not be worth your money.
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Just a thought: Admitting to having copies of the e-books (which scholastic is obviously unhappy about), and offering to send them to others after they made it VERY clear that they do not want them distributed is probably not the best idea. I'd recommend to any of you who have made these posts that you edit them so you don't find yourself in any sort of trouble with Scholastic.
I don't think they will read all our comments here lol Even for RAFians who see the thread now, it's kind of boring to have soooo many pages to read after only 1 day.
Governments nowadays make people paranoid ::)
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yeah, i'm not to worried about it.
They've sent their message[edit...]
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Well, I changed the link in my siggy, because it's cuter to have a little pirate (I love this smiley ;D) than a word... And I suppose everybody understand what I mean by this smiley now ^^
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Well, I changed the link in my siggy, because it's cuter to have a little pirate (I love this smiley ;D) than a word... And I suppose everybody understand what I mean by this smiley now ^^
;D Thats awesome.
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yeah, i'm not to worried about it.
They've sent their message, and i doubt they really care what any of us do on an individual level. I mean, for all they know/care we're just irate fans that'll cool down after a few days and forget about this.
may as well fight it while we're still warm!
I disagree. If they've only contact RAF at this point in time, then it's likely they will keep an eye on the situation. If they're going to make a point of people not distributing e-book material without permission, this would be the place to do it. If you want to be in contact about the e-books, I'd recommend following Estelore's suggestion.
But, it's each individual's choice. Just don't be surprised if any sort of consequence comes about from these posts.
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This little text at the bottom of the latest blog post is disconcerting to me: "There is a great possibility that in the next week major changes will have to be made to RAF." What kind of changes do you mean, Richard?
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For some reason, I can't view the eBooks... Am I blocked because I'm new?
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yeah, i'm not to worried about it.
They've sent their message, and i doubt they really care what any of us do on an individual level. I mean, for all they know/care we're just irate fans that'll cool down after a few days and forget about this.
may as well fight it while we're still warm!
I disagree. If they've only contact RAF at this point in time, then it's likely they will keep an eye on the situation. If they're going to make a point of people not distributing e-book material without permission, this would be the place to do it. If you want to be in contact about the e-books, I'd recommend following Estelore's suggestion.
But, it's each individual's choice. Just don't be surprised if any sort of consequence comes about from these posts.
lol I've edited my posts ^^ Let's be ninja! lol
This little text at the bottom of the latest blog post is disconcerting to me: "There is a great possibility that in the next week major changes will have to be made to RAF." What kind of changes do you mean, Richard?
Where did you see that?
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No, just read this:
http://blog.animorphsforum.com/ (http://blog.animorphsforum.com/)
and this:
http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=6434.0 (http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=6434.0)
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lol I've edited my posts ^^ Let's be ninja! lol
Sounds good. I'll edit my sole troublesome post, too.
This little text at the bottom of the latest blog post is disconcerting to me: "There is a great possibility that in the next week major changes will have to be made to RAF." What kind of changes do you mean, Richard?
Where did you see that?
It's in the latest blog entry, at the very bottom, in small print. I can take a screenshot if you want.
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man, why did rich make that so small and not noticable. Now my anger is replaced with anticipation and dread :(
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Yeah, that's more than a little worrisome.
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This little text at the bottom of the latest blog post is disconcerting to me: "There is a great possibility that in the next week major changes will have to be made to RAF." What kind of changes do you mean, Richard?
Where did you see that?
It's in the latest blog entry, at the very bottom, in small print. I can take a screenshot if you want.
Oh, Ok ^^ I see it now.
Well, I'd like to know more about what's going on... Richard is always so mysterious ::) I hope there won't be too many changes...
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man, why did rich make that so small and not noticable. Now my anger is replaced with anticipation and dread :(
Ditto. I hadn't even noticed that until Marie pointed it out, but it's enough to get me massively worried.
This little text at the bottom of the latest blog post is disconcerting to me: "There is a great possibility that in the next week major changes will have to be made to RAF." What kind of changes do you mean, Richard?
Where did you see that?
It's in the latest blog entry, at the very bottom, in small print. I can take a screenshot if you want.
Oh, Ok ^^ I see it now.
Well, I'd like to know more about what's going on... Richard is always so mysterious ::) I hope there won't be too many changes...
I don't think he has a choice about being mysterious. He's probably trying to get Scholastic to cooperate as much as possible so he doesn't have to change RAF very much, but he doesn't know what they'll allow so he can't say anything.
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The changes could be a good thing too, you never know. Maybe by agreeing to some things, Scholastic will give him some first dibs on stuff so that we can see them even sooner before the release! ;)
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I like the way you think, Gyt.
Sorry, y'all, didn't mean to worry you.
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Gyt is more dreaming than thinking ::)
I know why he's mysterious now, Luke, but he's ALWAYS mysterious :P
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To answer Chad and...someone else...from awhile back:
Yes, having the ebooks is illegal and Scholastic is well within their rights to order us to remove them. Even if the books are out of print, and even if updated versions are published via the re-release, copyright laws are in effect for the original editions for sixty years, whereupon the publisher and/or author must reapply or it falls into public domain.
So yeah, even though the books were out of print, and even though the books were put together by fans, Scholastic is well within their rights.
Also, piggybacking off of what Jess said: I agree that Scholastic is likely keeping an eye on the situation and it is perhaps not in your best interest to be offering to e-mail digital copies of the books to everyone on RAF, or to direct members to torrent sites. If nothing else, you could just be pointing Scholastic to other places that they can harp on in addition to RAF.
Be grateful for the time that we had the ebooks and leave it at that. Yeah, the timing sucks, but it really isn't the job of a big corporate legal team to pat RAFians on the back for being great members and keeping the flame alive. They are a business, they don't care about that. They care about making and keeping money and they are protecting their personal investments.
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I like the way you think, Gyt.
Thanks, I try to remain positive.
Gyt is more dreaming than thinking ::)
Sadly...this is probably the case. :P
And there you have it from a staff member here now as well. We just have to be thankful that they were up for as long as they were. And while Scholastic may not be thankful that you guys have kept the flame alive, I and I'm sure many others are very grateful for that. ^_^
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The changes could be a good thing too, you never know. Maybe by agreeing to some things, Scholastic will give him some first dibs on stuff so that we can see them even sooner before the release! ;)
+1 for staying positive.
I don't think that'll ever happen, but I like the fact that you're trying to find a good side to this.
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Another good thing is, that since the eBooks are gone, we may be getting new members that will be interested in the community itself, not just the eBooks.
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Maybe knowing people have been using eBooks Scholastic will be more likely to release the whole original series in eBook format. ::) Been waiting for a long time, guys!
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This little text at the bottom of the latest blog post is disconcerting to me: "There is a great possibility that in the next week major changes will have to be made to RAF." What kind of changes do you mean, Richard?
He probably means that the eBooks are referenced in tons of places. It's still in the Meta-Keyword tags, there is styles in the CSS for the eBooks, and at the time of this reply, the RAF Projects Board description still mentions the eBooks (see attached image).
There are also probably tons of things I don't know about that he means, but I'm pretty confident he is NOT talking about the way RAF looks, acts, or feels.
But think about how many hits our forum got because of the eBooks (just look at how many created memberships ONLY to complain about the eBook disappearance)! Without the search for "Animorphs eBooks free online" on google (for example) directing people to our beloved RAF, we may drop from 3rd result when searching for "Animorphs" (on google.ca :P).
Think about how many members discovered this forum because of their search for eBooks! I'm pretty sure there are some active ones. Richard might be meaning changes in the form of how many new members we see coming in before the re-release.
I dunno, I'm only speculating.
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Oh no :( your email made me sad Rich...I had a feeling Scholastic would crack a **** about it one day though
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Personally, at this stage in the game, I'd say it'd be better to keep anything y'all want to partake in in PMs and email format only.
I think it sucks some major monkey balls that the eBooks are gone, but, I'm not too upset, I figured it was coming. Scholastic has done their song, RAF's gotta do the dance, and it'll all blow over eventually. Any changed made (per the last portion of the blog post), may have some effect on RAF, but they'll never be able to stop us from having our little community, whether we have eBooks or not. And who knows? Maybe they'll release Animorphs in eBook form at some point, and we'll be able to purchase them for RAF, or from RAF (provided, of course, that the sales be forwarded to Scholastics).
But, yeah, if you're gonna discuss something... I'd highly suggest doing so in a discreet, private way, to safeguard yourself.
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merging.
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...Ok I am lost in the sea of posts after just 12 hrs of sleep...
In any case, I'll try to be part of it again. I am a bit ups and downs with Scholastic telling RAF to take the ebooks off. After all they are the publishing company of the book. And they have the money to sue anyone (of course, their finances might not be as great as many that of a game company, so I'll be in the clear of any possible sue once I get a job >:D)
The ups is that I understand what they had to do (but from the looks of these posts, they didn't do it discreetly) but the downs is that there is no more reference for fanfics or fanarts. Which I take it very seriously because I like to make fics/art as great as the real books. It was also a source of inspiration to make the storyline of my fic as unexpected as possible for the readers (which I hope I'm attempting).
Now my only sources of inspiration are a lot of music while drawing and REFINING my book cover for the fic... So yeah. :\
And what do I mean "unexpected", you ask? -grins evilly- That depends, how exactly do you expect of the fic's storyline?
Now I end my post. Cya around! -rushes to uni-
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Doesn't sound like they even use the word please.
Oh no they did not.
Technically, they probably did. "Please" in legalese is spelled "d-e-m-a-n-d (http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=482)." It comes from the Old French "demander" meaning "to request, ask." So, "We demand that you..." translates to "We ask you to..." in standard English.
It's still not very nice. Unfortunately, being nice doesn't gain you any points in the legal world. It shouldn't lose you any points, but I guess lawyers would rather sound big and scary rather than reasonable but resolute. Oh, well.
My guess is they used the same style that's on display here:
http://www.chillingeffects.org/domain/notice.cgi?NoticeID=2007 (trademark)
http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512c/notice.cgi?NoticeID=28163 (DMCA takedown)
Scholastic is pretty darn clearly in the legal right with their copyright claim. Trademark? Not so much. Personally, I'd offer to be polite, along the lines of the "not affiliated" blurb, but not an inch more. Of course, this is Richard's decision.
Without seeing the letter itself--and running low on sleep--I'm hesitant to say more. Would you be willing to post it, Richard? (RAFblog, Chilling Effects Clearinghouse, or both.)
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You all had to know this was going to happen with the rerelease. They would lose out on a profit otherwise. Suppose the first two books are released and they manage to attract a whole new fan base. Said fan base probably then discover they had the entire series for free online, not to mention that the original fan base might not bother buying the new editions at all. Sucks, but makes sense on their part.
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makes perfect sense. as far as i know, we were planning on doing so all along.
i just didn't appreciate scholastic's tone.
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they're the big guys ::)
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Good day everyone.
This is my first post on the forum. It's good to be able to talk to other Animorphs fans. I caught the book series at the tail end of 1995. I saw the books around. I got tired and nabbed one in early 1996 from Wal-Mart. It was Animorphs #2 The Visitor. I think that is as far as the series had gone when I started. I quickly got #1 The Invasion afterwords. I was hooked. From there I bugged the bookstore for information when the next book would be released. I always looked forward to the next book. I expected there would be a television series. While it was okay, I wish they did a better job sticking to the story. Games came and I played most of them, but most were based more on the tv show, as far a character design. It was disappointing. I like most of the books that were released, and was disappointed with the way the series ended. I never expected a re-release, or even a 2.0. A continuation featuring the fight against The One? I had not been expecting it and It will be interesting to see the changes that the re-release classics will bring, as well as the new series if it happens.
To the matter at hand, This was bound to happen. Re-release or not. I own all the books still. All 54, plus all the special books, and some that were re-bought becuase some of my originals were falling apart. The E-books were good when I was bored and I could just pull the book up on the computer and read awhile. But, overall I like holding the physical product in my hand.
I'm hoping this is where I need to be to get the updates on the re-release, the main reason for joining RAF, along with chatting with other Animorphs fans. I'm sad the e-books are gone but I had a feeling that it was bound to happen. Same thing may happen with the TV show. I hope it won't happen for awhile, but who knows?
Anyway, it's great to be able to post here and meet you all, and I hope to post here for a long time to come.
Have a good night!
- W
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Not surprised. A bit disapointed, but not too much. I have the books already, and the ebooks weren't what brought me to RAF, or what keep me here. They were convinient, since my books are in a box in my mom's basement until I get my own appartment and it's hard to dig them out, but it's not the end of the world.
I'm just glad that we're even getting a rerelease. Last I checked, Disney still hasn't released the second half of season 2 of Gargoyles on DVD yet, and have no plans of it, so Scholastic is already ahead in my books for still remembering Animorphs, and wanting to rerelease the books for another generation. Even if all they're thinking of is dollar signs, and their methods are... irritating, they haven't given up on the series, and for that I applaud them.
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I'm hoping this is where I need to be to get the updates on the re-release, the main reason for joining RAF, along with chatting with other Animorphs fans. I'm sad the e-books are gone but I had a feeling that it was bound to happen. Same thing may happen with the TV show. I hope it won't happen for awhile, but who knows?
Anyway, it's great to be able to post here and meet you all, and I hope to post here for a long time to come.
january '09? quite the lurker :D
welcome to RAF. we won't bite!1
make sure to check in with http://www.hiracdelest.com/status.htm as well for updates. great site. *wink* (http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9)
Here are the new things we now know:
The first spring/summer 2011 re-release is now said to be covering only the first 2 books: #1 The Invasion, and #2 The Visitor. Not as volumes for multiple books, but as an individual release of those two books only, with the new covers.
The books are now going to be updated with outdated references. An editor has gone through the first 2 books, and Michael & K.A have just recently approved the changes to them.
1 RAF is not responsible for any injuries. :zombie2:
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Changing 'outdated references'? Okay, that makes me mad.
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Changing 'outdated references'? Okay, that makes me mad.
they better not replace the offspring with hannah montana.
*shudders*
at least the pokemon reference will still be relevant.
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... D: Hannah Montana? There's a chance of that? D: Oh.. Oh no. I think a small part of me just died.. Nope, scratch that, it was a very large part of me. :(
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Good day everyone.
Anyway, it's great to be able to post here and meet you all, and I hope to post here for a long time to come.
Have a good night!
- W
Hey there Cecil, welcome to the forum! If you'd like, you can hop on over to the Introductions and Departures (http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php?board=7.0) thread and introduce yourself to RAF as a whole. I look forward to seeing you posting around here!
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Yeah I'm certain that his message about RAF changing just meant that the entire e-book child board would be removed, and that all e-book references would be removed.
I highly doubt he's going to do a huge overhaul on the site.
Yes, this new development sucks, and there's no surprise at all that a lawyer was acting like a douche-nozzle. However luckily this development came near the rerelease.
Luckily for me, I downloaded all the e-books the very moment I saw them. Even though I own all but 4-5 physical books.
And yes, there are sites that host all of the Harry Potter books. I also have HPs 1-7 in e-book form.
But as many of us can attest, we've had many conversations about whether this moment would come; so it shouldn't be that big of a surprise. I definitely support the underground railroad idea, and would be happy to help in any way.
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... D: Hannah Montana? There's a chance of that? D: Oh.. Oh no. I think a small part of me just died.. Nope, scratch that, it was a very large part of me. :(
This is the reason why I won't be buying or even reading the re-release. The original print is always better.
I might read it if they fix kasus and do the whole series that way.
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Hey, at least try to stay in the same genre as Offspring! I guess their modern equivalent would be...Green Day? Even though they were around in the 90's too? IDK.
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I'd like to read the re-releases, not to buy them, but at least read them... just to see the differences ^^
But I agree: No Hannah Montana accepted in the Animorphs... Never :disgrace:
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As long as the updated references don't mess up the story itself, I don't mind too bad. It happens all the time when stuff is remade in a new era.
Though yes, I'll be bugged beyond all means if Rachel is a Montana fangirl. >:(
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Was it Jake and Marco who went to the Offspring concert in dog morphs? Haha, that's even better if the boys end up being the Montana fangirls!
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LOL! That's ingenious. ;D
Seriously speaking though, do you think Hannah Montana would even be an option, outside of maybe Rachel's little sisters liking it? I wasn't aware it was technically the big thing for younger girls anymore. Heck, is it even still going?
Either way, I hereby vote that Rachel find Billy Ray Cyrus hot if Montana is brought up. It must be done.
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Either way, I hereby vote that Rachel find Billy Ray Cyrus hot if Montana is brought up. It must be done.
That's just wrong. Rachel can't think Mullet Man's hot! She just can't!
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Without the mullet, he is hot. ;D
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But the redneck in me says that mullets are the 'in' thing right now! :P (Seeing as I'm from Arkansas hopefully I can make that joke without offending anyone anyway lol)
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*highfives Gyt* Yeah it is! Binnes in the front, party in the back! :P
Although, I've actually never cared for the mullet. :P But Billy Ray is hot. :P
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When I go to: animorphsforum.com/ebooks/ to read more books online, it re-directs me to this forum's home page. Why?
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ebooks have been removed. merging.
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... D: Hannah Montana? There's a chance of that? D: Oh.. Oh no. I think a small part of me just died.. Nope, scratch that, it was a very large part of me. :(
OMG.
OMG.
Oh. My. God.
I just had a horrifying horrifying thought. The Montana thing just clicked my brain to #12. Please K.A. Please please PLEASE don't replace Jonathan Taylor Thomas with Justin Bieber! :O
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As long as the updated references don't mess up the story itself, I don't mind too bad. It happens all the time when stuff is remade in a new era.
Though yes, I'll be bugged beyond all means if Rachel is a Montana fangirl. >:(
Rachel would be too cool to be a Hannah Montana fangirl. Sara and Jordan on the other hand will totally be into Hannah Montanah, and The Suite Life of Zach and Cody as well as Pokémon. Which is only to be expected because of their age!
Though if they don't get past book #2 we'll never find even that much out about them.
I'm happy for anything that makes the likeliness of the series taking off again more likely.
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I got the Bieber, Bieber Fever! *dance*
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As long as the updated references don't mess up the story itself, I don't mind too bad. It happens all the time when stuff is remade in a new era.
Though yes, I'll be bugged beyond all means if Rachel is a Montana fangirl. >:(
Rachel would be too cool to be a Hannah Montana fangirl. Sara and Jordan on the other hand will totally be into Hannah Montanah, and The Suite Life of Zach and Cody as well as Pokémon. Which is only to be expected because of their age!
Though if they don't get past book #2 we'll never find even that much out about them.
I'm happy for anything that makes the likeliness of the series taking off again more likely.
Wait a minute, I thought. I don't wear size three hundred and twelve.
But at that moment I caught sight of myself in the mirror. And I was in my elephant morph.
I was still growing. Bigger and bigger, till my massive bulk was pressing people against the walls and floors and ceiling. I looked down, and there, beneath one massive fold of elephant belly, was a small figure in an orange hooded sweatshirt.
"Oh, my God! She killed Kenny!" someone cried.
"Aaaahhhh!" I screamed.
i hope they don't remove the south park reference. :P
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No way would they, South Park is still very much alive and awesome!
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I love so much that Rachel and Marco are South Park fans. They so would be.
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Also since stealing is no-no and I don't trust torrents...I guess I got no choice but to discontinue my Animorphs fic and the fanart. I have no reference to help me with.
What a bummer... I really liked writing my fic: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6308284/1/Alteramorphs_0_The_Alteration and drawing the art related to it (can be found here http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=6414.0)
...I'm gonna go back to playing Persona 3 Portable to take my pain away... =_=
What books did you use? All of them or just a select few? Because I'm sure there are members here who have saved them and would be willing to send you them. I, unfortunately, never saved any of them, because I own all of them and there was no need.... Ask around.
I have from #1 and up to #23,if that helps at all,just let me know if you nee any of those.
And also,to anyone that has ANY higher than #23,could you possibly be bothered to send me any of them? I just started reading the books again,and made it up to 23,I'll be devastated if I have to just stop cold turkey :/
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South Park is totally alive and well and still frequently uses the 'Oh my God, they killed Kenny!' statement enough. People will get it. Even more than Pokémon. More like The Simpsons.
I think Buffy, Xena, and such quotes are fairly safe too, though getting an occasional House, Bones, or Grey's Anatomy quote doesn't seem out of the question. Which I mean, I love those shows, so sounds fair enough to me.
But as long as my favorite quotes are all in there, I'm good. Of course, they have to get to re-printing the whole series for most of my favorite quotes to even be touched.
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Don't think that should be posted here...
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Me neither. :-X
V0, I think you should pull that before major trouble ensues.
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been removed. visser0, don't post links like that.
South Park is totally alive and well and still frequently uses the 'Oh my God, they killed Kenny!' statement enough. People will get it. Even more than Pokémon. More like The Simpsons.
more copyright shenanigans could occur? :P
i know people would get it.
so, web access america. anybody think this'll be changed? ;D
edit: check the blog post. http://blog.animorphsforum.com/2010/09/ebook-distribution.html
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I totally just found this website and loved it because I could never find the books anywhere else. And now they took them off. Huge letdown.
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So does Richard have the ebooks saved on his comp or somethin....If so could he send them to RAFians? I was in the process of reading the series in order! I made it all the way to the end of the David Triology :'(
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So does Richard have the ebooks saved on his comp or somethin....If so could he send them to RAFians? I was in the process of reading the series in order! I made it all the way to the end of the David Triology :'(
blue. read. the. blog. post.
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oh, didn't bother to. *Goes to read*
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I really didn't think this was going to be as large a deal as it is... >.< Honestly, with as upset as so many people seem to be, I think there's a good chance Scholastics may release some eBooks. Lol.
I would just like to state, I never had a link in my sig. :angel: :akanbe:
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Not the TV show! :( I'm so much more upset by that than the eBooks! Where will I go for my lulz?
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Here's a thought... How about Scholastic release the ebooks then?! It's not about not wanting to pay the money, I bough the whole entire paperback series and the Chronicles. Now they're not available for anyone to read. I think that's more of a detriment to the series than a site providing the books.
I didn't get the chance to get them all either. I see this as problematic for my graphic novel... Boo!
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you might be able to buy them online.
some libraries might have a few.
i don't agree with what scholastic did, but we're going to have to accept it until the re-release.
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Exactly. No matter how much we don't like it guys, the fact remains that Scholastic is well within their rights. Just think of how much worse it could be, they could have demanded these removed ages ago before re-printings were on the way. Besides, seeing as how despite my love for the series my overall knowledge is a lot less than most people here, I seriously can't be the only one that actually has a good bulk of the books can I? o_O
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I got all mine on ebay :P I paid almost 200 bucks, but its cheaper than buying em all seperately and brand new! Its completely worth it to me. I have multiple copies of some because anytime I see them at a yard sale or thrift store I grab them. Unfortunately I never find copies of the second half of the series.
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That's where most of mine are from too, yard sales and library book sales. Since I usually find them cheap enough, I buy ones I already know I have if I think there's a chance they're in even better condition than the copy I have. ;D
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The problem is... some people can't buy the books (the full series in English, because not the full series wasn't translated in the other languages) in their country. And shipping is so expensive =_=' I'd like to buy all the Everworld in English, and all the Animorphs I have only in French, in English too. But the shipping is too much, even when the books are less than $1, with the shipping it becomes $5...
When will we know if they'll be rerelease in other languages/countries?
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The problem is... some people can't buy the books (the full series in English, because not the full series wasn't translated in the other languages) in their country. And shipping is so expensive =_=' I'd like to buy all the Everworld in English, and all the Animorphs I have only in French, in English too. But the shipping is too much, even when the books are less than $1, with the shipping it becomes $5...
When will we know if they'll be rerelease in other languages/countries?
wouldn't the shipping be less if you bought them all at once?
i also hope they release it elsewhere. we need more aussies!
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Ack, true Dameg. I didn't think of the foreign fanbase. :(
Sadly, unless the books take off again though, Scholastic probably won't think of them either...I doubt Animorphs can come back and beat out the Harry Potter craze, but we can at least take Twilight and Percy Jackson. C'mon!
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@Goom: It depends, some people down the shipping rate for the 2nd, 3rd, etc. books... but not all of them, and when they do, this is only $5 becoming $3 or something like that. And it supposes also that you find somebody who sell all the books! It's really rare. Sometimes I find people who sell 2 or 3, sometimes even 4 things I want, not more... or they're expensive.
@Gyt: Harry Potter is "old" now. The current fashion is Twilight, but many people don't like it. And for both, there are only 1 or 2 movies more and it'll be finished. Then people will forget :P So Animorphs must come on the scene just at this very moment ;)
But if there aren't many many fans in the US, and a movie or a TVshow or an animated series, we won't see them in the other countries...
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Is there a way someone could fix this? I'd love to read them. (: Thanks!
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I assume you mean http://www.animorphsforum.com/ebooks (http://www.animorphsforum.com/ebooks), right?
Sorry, the e-books are gone. Scholastic forced Richard, the site owner, to pull them down.
See this topic (http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=6434.0) for more information.
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Hi everyone!
As I understand, there will be a new edition of the books soon on sale, but do you know by any chance if it's just for the USA or not? I live in France, and I miss a few books (I could buy them on eBay or other websites like this, but for more than twice the price...too expensive for me...^^')
If someone have an answer, it would really help me ;)
**sorry if there is some mistakes^^**
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As far as we know I think, it's just the US for now. But if it does well, even just marginally well, I can see them porting it to other countries for one of two reasons. If it does really good, they'll do it for just plain more money. But if it just does okay, there's a chance they may do it in a chance to increase overall sales to keep it going.
Either way, we just have to hope for now. ^_^
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any 1 found an alternate yet???
Am I even allowed to ask that?
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Hi everyone!
As I understand, there will be a new edition of the books soon on sale, but do you know by any chance if it's just for the USA or not? I live in France, and I miss a few books (I could buy them on eBay or other websites like this, but for more than twice the price...too expensive for me...^^')
If someone have an answer, it would really help me ;)
**sorry if there is some mistakes^^**
If you don't live too far from my home (so near Lyon), we can find a way to buy for both of us and pay less for the shipping... ;)
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any 1 found an alternate yet???
Am I even allowed to ask that?
Something tells me that the answer is "no." Although I probably shouldn't really be talking here...
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oh man, i just notice this news :(
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This is sad we had to close the translation project with the Ebook project.
We have many not-English-speakers here and it was cool to have fan-made translations of the books...
Plus, I'm not sure fan-made translations, when they touch books who weren't translated, are illegal. After all the other countries must have bought the copyrights only for the volumes who were translated.
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no noNNNNNNNOOOOOOOO the ebooks were my source to keep my favorite quotes from the physical books I've read and borrowed from the library. Sadly, my library does not own the complete collection of this series and coming here was my insurance to read what's not in my library :( #28 and two other books ... Aw man :( I was really hoping I'd read the whole series finally this year. Something told me that I should have downloaded alll of them incase something like this would happen.
No hard feelings on scholastic though. Hoping the future re-release will expand on to the final book though I like the mid to late 90's references in these ones since I grew up with this generation of Animorphs. Scholastic can at least provide ebooks for sale! I'd HAPPILY buy them.
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yeah, i never downloaded them myself (own them), but i understand your loss.
thankfully we'll be able to get them once scholastic puts them up for sale.
i might buy a few new ones, maybe more.
oh, and welcome to the forum, eagle.
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I come back after a very long absence and find this. Nice thing to see on my return, huh? >:( What's weird is that I actually knew in the back of my mind something like this was going to happen eventually since this is one of the biggest Animorphs sites out there. Even though seeing the E-books gone was very disappointing, it is good to see that the community is still here.
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yeah, we've got a ton of new members recently.
it's a conspiracy i tell ya! ::)
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OHH MANNN!!!!
i was looking for them everywhere
i would buy the book but its not on sale ANYWHERE
i was usign the pretender as my belnging text for english (HSC australian thing >.>)
oh well
does anyone know when they come out cos ive heard about this for a while now..
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does anyone know when they come out cos ive heard about this for a while now..
I've heard the first few books will get re-released in the summer of 2011. There's a thread here about it. (http://animorphsforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=5234.0)
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that would be amazing!!
i have like 20 books but ive read them so many times theyre like frayed ^^' hehe
are they gna be the same price??
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i believe they'll be the same price, yes.
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I come back after a very long absence and find this. Nice thing to see on my return, huh? >:( What's weird is that I actually knew in the back of my mind something like this was going to happen eventually since this is one of the biggest Animorphs sites out there. Even though seeing the E-books gone was very disappointing, it is good to see that the community is still here.
Same exact thing for me. I actually had all the books downloaded at one time, and then I rebooted my computer. I never got around to downloading them again, even though I had a nagging voice in my head that told me to do it.....
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Umm, rebooting your comp wouldn't make the books disappear... You mean reformat?
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i believe they'll be the same price, yes.
is that amercian dollars?? and it was 5 dollars right
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Wait...the ebooks are gone?
-entire body shatters-
Oh god...now I have no reference for my fic and there's no Animorphs books in any of the libraries or second hand shops here in Singapore...
-sulks in a corner-
exactly.... but for ipswich. which has some books but i'll have to wait for a long long time to get one.
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i believe they'll be the same price, yes.
is that amercian dollars?? and it was 5 dollars right
i thought some were 3.99 others were 4.99.
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They were all 4.99. :P Some of mine still have the tags! Or 4.49.
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Kevin's right; at least when and where I bought my books (a Barnes & Noble in North Carolina), the first half dozen in the series were $3.99, and the rest were $4.99.
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It's too early to be guessing prices, but I wouldn't expect them to be costing the same as they did 10 years ago. Especially if they're bringing them all out with fancy covers.
As for the $3.99/$4.99 confusion, they were originally $3.99 US, but were increased by $1 starting at book #20 until the end of the series.
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I love how they increased the price just as the quality started to dip
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so 4.99 to 5.99 canadian?
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isn't the canadese dollar worth more than the american one now?
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isn't the canadese dollar worth more than the american one now?
i think so. back then it was about the same (right?)
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Someone may have already asked this, but does anyone know where I could find the tv episodes? They've got to be somewhere...
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Someone may have already asked this, but does anyone know where I could find the tv episodes? They've got to be somewhere...
YouTube.
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yeah, always check youtube.
google is your friend. :)
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Someone may have already asked this...
Time to update the ol' FAQ thread.
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Only about the first half of the first season is on Youtube.
Canadians get screwed when it comes to book prices.
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Canadians get screwed when it comes to book prices.
No kidding. Even with the currency exchange, we still get charged approx $25-35 for an average hardcover new release after tax (in Ontario anyway). That's just ridiculous. It's why I always either amazon the paperback version or go to the library.
As long as the Animorphs re-release doesn't charge us the normal $1 extra over here, then I'll be happy.
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The WAYBACK suggestion is good but still leads to a dead link. It's really too bad that the e-books had to be removed.
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Ohhh this makes me a sad panda.
Guess I'll hop over to eBay and see what I can find there...
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Anyone got any idea where I can find the TV show? Was it ever released on DVD? Was the whole series ever released?
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I seriously think I need to find all those lost episodes of the TV show.
HI Bluspunk, welcome to RAF! :D
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I know, right? It brought so much lulz. Especially any time Eugene Lipinski showed up as Visser Three.
NO. MORE. FAILYEAHS.
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Was the series ever released on DVD? I'd like to see it at some point, I remember watching like... 2 episodes when it was out, and then I was kind of disappointed in my TV, and wouldn't talk to it for a week. It wasn't until I was a good bit older that I learned to blame the network. :P
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Was the series ever released on DVD? I'd like to see it at some point, I remember watching like... 2 episodes when it was out, and then I was kind of disappointed in my TV, and wouldn't talk to it for a week. It wasn't until I was a good bit older that I learned to blame the network. :P
VHS.
http://www.amazon.com/Animorphs-Invasion-Part-Begins-VHS/dp/B00000G3I3
pretty cheap, too.
(see Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought for others)
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VHS? What's that? (just kidding)
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VHS? What's that? (just kidding)
::)
not sure how many do, but i still use them quite a bit. we have a vhs+dvd player and don't feel like buying the same movies over again.
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VHS? What's that? (just kidding)
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not sure how many do, but i still use them quite a bit. we have a vhs+dvd player and don't feel like buying the same movies over again.
I'm going to start doing this. :P I just got a VCR+DVD player. Made me extremely happy, since I can stop buying DVD versions of my old movies. XD And it makes my mother happy, since I'm taking all her video tapes that she can't use since her VCR broke ages ago. XP
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hey has any1 got the following ebooks:
-no.3
-no.5
-no.23
-no.26
-no.27
-no.28
-books above no.30
-megamorphs 3
-andalite chronicles
-hork bajir chronicles
if any1 does may he/she pls send it to me by email?
my email is acenz9@hotmail.com
pls and tnku
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The TV show can be found on Internet. RAF wasn't the only website to provide them. Same for everything: if you can find something somewhere, you'd probably find the same thing somewhere else. No surprise on the Internet.
And for the real books, there isn't only Ebay. Amazon, Abebooks and websites like that are also really helpful.
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this is not good! javascript:void(0);:o
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Then I suppose it's a VERY good thing I already saved all of them to my word documents. :D
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this is not good! javascript:void(0);:o
JavaScript Void(0)
Sometimes, you may need to call some JavaSript from within a link. Normally, when you click a link, the browser loads a new page (or refreshes the same page).
This might not always be desirable. For example, you might only want to dynamically update a form field when the user clicks a link.
To prevent the load from refreshing, you could use the JavaScript void() function and pass a parameter of 0 (zero).
what were you trying to do?
oh, and max9, we're not distributing the ebooks any longer on this forum.
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I could never download the books to either of my computers, nor the videos. But now that the books are gone I want to at least try to get "The Capture Part 2" before they're gone (if they're going too). But I can't fix the issues I'm having. Mostly because I don't even know what the problem is. Can someone help? I've tried using Windows Explorer and Firefox, but neither will even load the page for downloading...
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you can't find them on this site. sorry :/
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Looking everywhere for them, but there's nothing:(:(
Already got the Animorphs and Remnants, trying googling but nothing for Everworld:((
Do someone have them? Or have the link?
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nope.
but you can order the books on ebay/amazon and they may have them at your local used book store.
mine has all of them there.
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Do someone have them? Or have the link?
can't share them on here, sorry. just keep googling.
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I was able to find them without much trouble.
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I tried to find the Everworld books today. It'll cost me €54 (=$75) for the full set. The shipping is 80% of the price, of course. T_T I so want them... and there are less and less people who sell them on Internet. Only Americans have them all and sell them for $20 each...
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Oh, lucky me! I found somebody on the British Ebay who sell them all, not too expensive, and accepted to send them to France! €38 with shipping! Sooooo lucky! ^^
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man i didn't get to read Remnants gone and everworld yet. wish could have got them before. didn't think they would be gone too.
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I agree. It sucks but.....
I have most of the books on my computer. The fan fic can continue! Here's a media fire link for it! ;D
[link removed]
>:(
goom says: there is to be no sharing of ebooks on RAF.
http://blog.animorphsforum.com/2010/09/ebook-distribution.html
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I was just going through the previous pages and there are a lot of people making arrangements to share the book files... I'm glad people are getting them but I think the site should delete those posts for legal reasons. I'm sorry guys! I'm just scared of the site getting shut down for not obeying some scary lawyers :-[
But seriously, who's going to get "confused" and think that RAF is the author of the books? I agree with the copyright call now that they are reprinting the books (though I hate it, they have a point) but that argument is terrible.
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The eBooks are gone? :(
It sucks. I had downloaded all of them before but they were all wiped out. I need somewhere else to get them from. Where Where Where **spits and hisses**
goom's edit: RAF no longer sanction the distribution of the eBooks, nor the implied distribution through other means. :goom:
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:'( :'( :'( i knew i should have saved them when i had the chance but no lets trust the net and now i am stuck with four books intead of 89 or something like that >:D >:D >:D
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Ebooks gone? Well....guess I'll go up the attic and bring out the collection
*chokes in the dust*
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Did they seriously think that we could get the source of origin confused? Does someone want to tell me where THAT thought came from? That just seems like bunch of dirt...copyright issues, okay, but...man, this is dissapointing. I think I'll go cry in a corner with Vickie...
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:D I would love that file!!!!!!! Gimme! Gimme Gimme Gimme!!!!! Ahem.....sorry....I mean....I would really appreciate such a useful file.
Post Merged: November 19, 2010, 11:22:34 PM
Sorry, forgot to give my email: zyborg321@earthlink.net
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The e-books were taken down off of RAF at the request of Scholastic themselves. Any mention of being able to access the e-books through RAF in any form, even through conversion to audiobooks cannot be tolerated. Please go elsewhere to discuss the distribution of e-books, as this behavior cannot be condoned on RAF. Thanks
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estrid, you merged an old post into this thread changing the name. lemme fix this :P
okay, i'm just going to go ahead and delete the first post and move the discussion here.
Hey,
If anyone is interested, I have converted the entire catalog of animorphs ebooks to mp3's using text-to-speech software. Obviously it isn't as good as the current project, but if you need something to hold you over, it works.
You can tell it's a computer speaking, but it doesn't sound half bad. Would anyone like this?
I don't know where I can post these... If anyone knows, let me know.
Thanks!
The e-books were taken down off of RAF at the request of Scholastic themselves. Any mention of being able to access the e-books through RAF in any form, even through conversion to audiobooks cannot be tolerated. Please go elsewhere to discuss the distribution of e-books, as this behavior cannot be condoned on RAF. Thanks
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oops, didnt realize. my messed up eye and tendinitis are making me a bad candidate for computarized tasks this evening. good thing i got you to watch my back :)
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fixing fixed this topic.
- split this thread (leaving his old one alone in here).
- found an old post of mine (before his was made) and merged that with his, bumping my post to the top of the ebooks thread.
- merged this back, making mine on top and his deletable.
edit:
fixed the two blog posts' links to the thread. let me know if anything else is incorrect. :)
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I have all of the ebooks saved, but I'm not giving them to anybody even if they pay me. ESPECIALLY if they pay me. (shudder) No, I don't want to go down that road...
Can we please just close this thread?
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this thread is open for members/newcomers to discuss the ebook removal.
we're not going to close it, just remove offending posts and discourage talk of ebook downloading.
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Oh ok. That's not so bad then, I guess...
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but this isn't fair at all! i really want to read the book i'm up to but suddenly there's no books here any more!
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While it may not be 'fair', it is completely right. Scholastic owns all of the rights for the series, and if they decide that they don't want us distributing them, then that's that.
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While it may not be 'fair', it is completely right. Scholastic owns all of the rights for the series, and if they decide that they don't want us distributing them, then that's that.
This. It's not like it was paid for by us to read them. It's their stuff. We have to live with it. *shrugs*
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I'm mostly mad at myself over this whole thing. I had the first half of the series, plus some Chronicles and Megamorphs. When I was 17, I desperately needed to downsize my book collection, and Animorphs were the first to go. It sucks because I had them, and I'm not one to pay for something twice. Especially when it's going to take them so bloody long to release the re-releases. And I still don't care for these 'updates' or whatever to the books.
Bah.
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It's too bad the ebooks are gone. Even though I have them all there is no way to gain new readers now that there is no form of the books for free or for sale since they are out of print.
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get em on ebay :p
that's what i did.
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Also any used bookstore will typically have a large collection of 'em. That's where I found all mine.... Half-Price Books!
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It's too bad the ebooks are gone. Even though I have them all there is no way to gain new readers now that there is no form of the books for free or for sale since they are out of print.
well, what about the re-release? that's kinda the reason they got taken down in the first place.
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well you seee the rereleases don't look as good as the originals to tell you the truth...
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I still have trouble trying to wrap my head around why Scholastic would stop printing the series in the first place.
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Economics. All the copies they were going to sell of the last half of the series probably were sold in the first few months of their release. I imagine the older copies were selling fairly low by a little after the end anyway.
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The economics have changed: thanks to digital typeset and paperback printers, "out-of-print" could now just mean "special order." And by "special order," I mean "wait 15 minutes for the machine out back to finish whipping up your book."
Or, put them in the supply chain. Eight of these machines, costing about a million dollars, replace a lot of warehouse, especially because it means your entire back catalog is never out of print.
But, a lot of publishers don't do this. My conspiracy theory runs like this:
Publishers put up a lot of money to bring a book to print: editing, initial print run, marketing, maybe an advance. (Yeah...) They then add in a percentage for their profit, call it a loan, and take the royalties until that loan is paid off.
That means books go through three stages: 1) they earn back the publisher's investment, 2) profit goes to the publisher, 3) the publisher splits royalties with the author. Finally, if the book is very old, it's in a fourth stage: anyone can print it or download it from Gutenberg/Google Books/etc., the market is competitive and the publisher thus only makes normal profits.
A lot of books peter out in stage 1. This is a risk of doing business, and is (hopefully) made up by profits on successful books. Stage 2 is pure gravy. But, them damn classics hanging out in stage 3 are just clogging up the market.
Do you think the publishers are going to be wild for something that lets books live forever? That's why we still have "out of print."
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Well, saves me the trip to Amazon and all of that internet mumbo jumbo. Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer going to a bookstore and taking the thing home with me, to the whole "Looks what's in my mailbox!" Approach.
I don't know. I'm ignorant when it comes to economics and politics.
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^complete ditto^
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I've got all the books on .pdf if you want 'em.
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you're not to distribute them on RAF.
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Goom is right, you can't distribute the ebooks via RAF anymore, as it will get us into trouble with Scholastic.
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I gotta say I disagree with the idea of having free ebooks here in the first place cause I don't agree with piracy. You really pay for something you want. Worse than that in this case at the very least you should support the things you love, and giving them out to everyone for free goes way against that notion. I know that there is a big difference between piracy and theft, but I at least expect people to support the things they love.
I'm rambling at this point so I'm gonna go ahead and quit there. It's just irritating is all.
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It should be noted that the authors, and Scholastic for that matter, don't make money off of books that are out of print. That copy of #1 you buy used off Amazon? The seller sees the money, they don't.
So, no. While they were out of print, it really didn't make a difference. Buying them used didn't support anyone but the people selling the used copies. Obviously, it's different with them being reprinted, but they were going to be taken down then anyway.
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there's always animorphs the radio drama unsensored