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Title: Jake's Parents
Post by: estrid on December 13, 2008, 01:52:46 PM
One thing that never made sense to me was that in book #49 Jake decided to go save everyone's parents and save his for last knowing Tom the controller was around and now the controllers knew almost everything. It seemed like they didn't have to go in groups to get the parents out. I think had they each gone separately to the house of their parent's with a chee to help, Jake could have still saved his parents and it would have made more sense.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Dameg on December 13, 2008, 01:55:41 PM
But maybe he thought it was too dangerous to go separately... what if one of them was made prisoner? and controller? nobody would know... because they'd be in other places... saving their own parents...
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: estrid on December 13, 2008, 01:58:04 PM
But didn't the animorphs drop off one by one as their parents were saved anyways? like after cassie got her parents out of there, she didn't go with them to get Rachel's, then after that it was just Jake and Erek to get his parents cuz Rachel and cassie were not there, right?
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Dameg on December 13, 2008, 02:03:36 PM
yeah it's right... But they stayed 2 or 3 at the end... ^^'
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Chad32 on December 13, 2008, 02:06:23 PM
It's weird that Jake went to his parents last, when they knew for sure one of his family members was a controller. It goes along with the context that the mission before hand he decided to rush over. So they fought, spilled blood, and gave the Yeerks the DNA they wanted. I suppose if they chose jake's parents first, and Tom got away, then he'd tell the other Yeerks the Anis were getting their parents to safety.

Still, I would have gone to rescue Jake's parents first. It was the only real opportunity to rescue Tom.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: estrid on December 13, 2008, 02:07:43 PM
i agree. it just fits in w/my other thread...........th e ending of the series was rushed
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Dameg on December 13, 2008, 02:11:16 PM
It's right... I agree about that: Jake must know that he SHOULD go first save his own parents... maybe he just wanted to think about his team members before think about himself...
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: morfowt on December 13, 2008, 06:07:55 PM
i agree. it just fits in w/my other thread...........th e ending of the series was rushed
I don't think the ending was rushed because of that. true, it was sort of a bad choice to save jake's family last, but I think KA purposely did that...
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: estrid on December 13, 2008, 07:51:35 PM
well obviously she purposefully did that, but i dk, if she really wanted jakes parents to have been made controllers i think she shoulda found a better way to do it then a way that screams "save jake's parents 1rst, duh!"
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: AcreLorraine on December 15, 2008, 01:29:52 AM
Jake figured he had time.  He thought that only Tobias had been found out.  He didn't realize that when his father asked to go to the lawn mower place, Tom had a plan.  I emphasize father because this was not Tom's idea, just a chance Tom took.  If Tom new Jake was an animorph at the time, he would have made sure Jake went.  It was an unfortunate timing.  Besides, Chee are 90 percent useless in most cases where anyone might get hurt, and 100 percent useless in battle.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: estrid on December 15, 2008, 01:33:48 AM
yes chee are useless but they went with them anyways to help. i dk, it just seems like if KA wanted jake's parents to be made controllers there were better ways to do it
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Gafrash on December 15, 2008, 09:10:25 AM
Yeah, I always wondered about this, too. It did seem like an unusual decision on the leader of the Animorphs. However, give the fact that they WERE at Cassie’s farm when the decision was made, it kinda makes sense for them to opt getting her family out first. Rachel and Jake’s would have been a toss between who would have been faster.
Regardless of doing Jake’s third, Tobias’s mum was last and that required all the Animorphs in the field. I can’t speculate on the decision of doing Jake’s family with half the team only, when there was the REAL threat of the Controller-Tom ruining the mission. That was Jake’s BIG dreamed up moment of rescuing his brother, why hadn’t he anticipated it better?! I think ALL of the others would have agreed.
The only real answer is the author’s already made up decision to turn all of Jake's loved ones into Controllers. I can’t actually remember if Jake gets them back, inspite Tom being killed by Rachel.

And am I the only one who used to wonder if Homer made it alive, too?!
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Cloak on December 15, 2008, 09:20:38 AM

And am I the only one who used to wonder if Homer made it alive, too?!


Now I feel horrible.  I forgot all about him!
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Phoenix004 on December 15, 2008, 09:43:37 AM
If they had encountered trouble at any of the other houses (eg. controller family members or a Yeerk attack squad) then they'd have needed everyone there to help out. Besides, since Jake's family went out early (before they had gone after any of their families) it wouldn't have made a difference unless they had saved them the night before.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: estrid on December 15, 2008, 11:38:11 AM
but had they gone in force to every1s family it woulda made sense. but they were kinda dropping off one by one, so thats where it doesnt make sense that jake and marco and erek couldnt have gone after his parents while ax cassie and rachel with the chee figure it out themselves since they know jake's parents would be the immediate threat since tom the controller is with them,


and i always wondered about homer 2!!! it was yet another unexplained thing of the animorphs ending >:(
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Cloak on December 15, 2008, 11:45:24 AM
and i always wondered about homer 2!!! it was yet another unexplained thing of the animorphs ending >:(

Theory:  Perhaps Erek took Homer with him to that underground kennel of the Chee's.  Of course, I don't really have any canon to back this up, I don't think.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: estrid on December 15, 2008, 12:09:43 PM
no, but that is a nice thought. better than, homer got blown up or whatever
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: AcreLorraine on December 15, 2008, 12:40:46 PM
Jake did get his parents back, it mentions him visiting them sometimes in the last book, after he's losing it.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Chad32 on December 15, 2008, 01:46:00 PM
I doubt the Yeerks would do anything with Homer. Unless Jake's house was in the area the bugfighters destroyed, he probably stayed home until everything was over. Then Jake's parents contiunued caring for him until he died of old age. The end.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: SuperBlue on December 15, 2008, 04:46:42 PM
I always thought they should have split up ang got all the parents at once. Cassie and Erek could save Cassie's parents, Rachel and Marco could save Rachel's parents, and Jake, Ax, and Tobias could've gone and saved Jake's parents and capture Tom(which couldve changed Rachel's fate in the end)
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Gafrash on December 15, 2008, 06:35:00 PM
Theory:  Perhaps Erek took Homer with him to that underground kennel of the Chee's.  Of course, I don't really have any canon to back this up, I don't think.
I doubt the Yeerks would do anything with Homer. Unless Jake's house was in the area the bugfighters destroyed, he probably stayed home until everything was over. Then Jake's parents contiunued caring for him until he died of old age. The end.
I just breathed a huge sigh of relief. I hadn't seen these possibilities for Homer's survival. All plausible. Thank God!

I always thought they should have split up ang got all the parents at once. Cassie and Erek could save Cassie's parents, Rachel and Marco could save Rachel's parents, and Jake, Ax, and Tobias could've gone and saved Jake's parents and capture Tom(which couldve changed Rachel's fate in the end)
See, now this is what would make more sense.
Not forgetting Tobias' mum at the end.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Liz on December 15, 2008, 06:40:48 PM
Come to think of it, we never found out what happened to Rachel's dad, did we?
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Gafrash on December 15, 2008, 06:41:56 PM
Hey, yeah. Wasn't Dan, the TV newsreporter, outside of state??!!
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Liz on December 15, 2008, 06:44:06 PM
He wasn't mentioned at all in the end...maybe he became a controller and was later killed in the war.  Or maybe KAA just forgot to tell us what happened to him. xD
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Gafrash on December 15, 2008, 07:11:09 PM
Just add him to the catalogue of characters that weren't mentioned as a conclusion in the end.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Phoenix004 on December 15, 2008, 08:25:32 PM
She would have needed at least one extra book just to fill in the blanks of what happened to everyone and their families after the war.

As for Homer, I would guess that even as Controllers Tom and the parents looked after him until open war broke out in order to keep up appearances with the neighbours. It would have been kinda cool to mention Homer at the end of the series though, living large with Jake in his fancy home and riding shotgun in his Jaguar.  8)
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: estrid on December 15, 2008, 08:58:18 PM
ya but then KA wouldnt have been able to have her sloppy finish so..............wha t happened to homer shall 4ever be a mystery
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Liz on December 15, 2008, 08:59:26 PM
Well, I don't really mind not knowing, that's what fanfic is for. xD
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Phoenix004 on December 15, 2008, 09:00:13 PM
ya but then KA wouldnt have been able to have her sloppy finish so..............wha t happened to homer shall 4ever be a mystery

Like hell! To the Fanficmobile!  ;D
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: goom on December 15, 2008, 09:03:50 PM
poor homer.
i forgot about him too.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Chad32 on December 15, 2008, 10:16:04 PM
Sara or Jordan ask about their dad as they're being rescued, and rachel says they'll save him later. Then nothing happens.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: estrid on December 16, 2008, 01:25:00 AM
i repeat and will always repeat, yet another proof of a sloppy finish
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: rachel91 on April 17, 2011, 04:56:11 AM
sorry for reviving this thread. but maybe jake felt that if tom had gone missing, the yeerks wld have been notified and it wld be that much harder for everyone to escape. better to get the easy ones out first than the hardest. jake's not selfish, hes a leader, he wld have thought about everyone's welfare first.
or i cld be talking utter crap. haha, yet to decide =)
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Chad32 on April 17, 2011, 07:22:46 AM
I'm pretty sure that with a little effort, they could have gotten all the parents simultaneously. So no, there's no good reason for waiting last. Of course there was no good reason for going into that battle before moving the parents anyway.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: SuperBlue on April 17, 2011, 09:55:59 AM
Sara or Jordan ask about their dad as they're being rescued, and rachel says they'll save him later. Then nothing happens.

As much as Rachel cared for her dad and all she had to say was "We'll just get to him later"? The fact that he doesn't live near the Anis and was at a higher risk for Yeerk attack should have made him the top priority for her.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Chad32 on April 17, 2011, 11:35:51 AM
As far as I remember, that's the only mention her father gets. Sara and/or Jordan ask about him, and Rachel says she'll find him later.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: SuperBlue on April 17, 2011, 01:05:42 PM
:facepalm: poor Mr.Rachel. Thrown on the bus (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PutOnABus) like all the other parents
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Morilore on April 17, 2011, 04:47:22 PM
I get the impression that Rachel knew they were never going to be able to track him down, and she was trying to be gentle with her younger sisters.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: SuperBlue on April 17, 2011, 04:50:04 PM
Still it woulda been nice to have some mention of him other than "Oh don't worry we'll get him....eventually"
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Morilore on April 17, 2011, 04:52:00 PM
Also, the whole sloppy-planning-on-getting-the-parents thing - I kind of think that was the whole point.  For the last three years, the four fully-human Animorphs have had something resembling a home to go to; a sanctuary where they can not think about the Yeerks once in a while.  They don't know how to think about their parents in terms of the war and the evacuation really pulled a psychological rug out from under them.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: SuperBlue on April 17, 2011, 04:56:20 PM
a sanctuary where they can not think about the Yeerks once in a while.  

Jake lived with a Yeerk  :XD:
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: rachel91 on April 18, 2011, 03:14:05 AM
if im not mistaken, when rachel says 'we'll get him later', i think she has a tender/sad expression on her face. before the war started, she was really close to her dad. i cld be reaching but maybe for the greater good she put aside selfish reasons and thought saving her dad was a risk too great. but then again, he deserved a mention at least during rachel's funeral.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Morilore on April 18, 2011, 10:46:01 AM
a sanctuary where they can not think about the Yeerks once in a while.  

Jake lived with a Yeerk  :XD:
Yeah, that came out sounding kinda stupid.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: rachel91 on April 19, 2011, 10:10:16 PM
i was actually rereading 49 and Jake does say 'take tom last so if there's any problems, at least everyone is safe.' the problem i have with the whole thing was they waited till morning. they cld have gotten them out at night instead of sleeping on it
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: SuperBlue on April 19, 2011, 10:51:32 PM
True. They just really didn't plan it out
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Tim Bruening on August 15, 2015, 12:05:03 AM
Yeah, I always wondered about this, too. It did seem like an unusual decision on the leader of the Animorphs. However, give the fact that they WERE at Cassie’s farm when the decision was made, it kinda makes sense for them to opt getting her family out first. Rachel and Jake’s would have been a toss between who would have been faster.
Regardless of doing Jake’s third, Tobias’s mum was last and that required all the Animorphs in the field. I can’t speculate on the decision of doing Jake’s family with half the team only, when there was the REAL threat of the Controller-Tom ruining the mission. That was Jake’s BIG dreamed up moment of rescuing his brother, why hadn’t he anticipated it better?! I think ALL of the others would have agreed.
The only real answer is the author’s already made up decision to turn all of Jake's loved ones into Controllers. I can’t actually remember if Jake gets them back, inspite Tom being killed by Rachel.

And am I the only one who used to wonder if Homer made it alive, too?!

Jake's parents did regain their freedom after the war.  I can imagine them saying "Jake, you sent your cousin to kill your brother????????  You are SO grounded!".

IMHO, the Animorphs should have started the process of rescuing their families the moment they realized that the Yeerks were on to them!  In fact, they should have had a contingency plan in place!
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Chad32 on August 15, 2015, 08:46:29 PM
In book 1 there was nowhere for their parents to go. Plus they wanted to try to still live reasonably normal lives. In book 10, the Chee didn't exactly volunteer to house refugees. In book 13, I doubt the FHV would be practical.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Tim Bruening on August 16, 2015, 01:03:08 AM
In book 1 there was nowhere for their parents to go. Plus they wanted to try to still live reasonably normal lives. In book 10, the Chee didn't exactly volunteer to house refugees. In book 13, I doubt the FHV would be practical.

But there would have been plenty of time between books 13 and 49 for the Animorphs to develop a contingency plan.  The sudden need to evacuate Marco's parents in book 45 should certainly have triggered the development of a contingency plan!  The Animorphs could have asked the Free Hork-Bajir to construct emergency housing for refugee humans.
Title: Re: Jake's Parents
Post by: Chad32 on August 18, 2015, 10:12:53 AM
I don't know why they hadn't made a plan to move their parents a long time before 49. Then there's how they went about things in 49, attacking when  they should stay home and saving Jake's folks last when he's the one with a confirmed controller in the house. It's just how the authors decided to make things go. That's why there's a whole Trope called Idiot Ball.