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Title: You know what I dont get
Post by: SuperBlue on September 19, 2008, 04:29:18 PM
I just got done readin the fight seen in book #50, when a thought entered my head. Why do they always let Visser Three morph. in 50 when he started morphing Cassie went to make sure Kelly(Auxillary Animorph) was ok. after some talking and narration tht would probably have been about 3 or 4 mintues long, Visser Three's morph was comeplete and a perfect oportunity to kill him while he's morphing, was wasted. He always chooses ridiculously huge morphs that probably take while to comeplete and in the mean time, he's probably as helpless the Animorphs when they're in mid-morph. I dont get it, as smart as the Animorphs are im shocked they've never tried to get him while he's morphing
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: Chad32 on September 19, 2008, 04:42:00 PM
They don't want to kill him. If they do, he would be replaced by someone more clever, like Visser One. It didn't take her long at all to figure out they were Human.

On the other hand, Visser One is the one pushing for a covert infestation. In a way she would be more dangerous, but on the other hand she can't morph. She also doesn't want to go out in the open with the war.

Better the enemy you know, than the one you don't. Therefore, they don't try too hard to kill Visser Three.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: Gumby on September 19, 2008, 05:03:16 PM
Well, He is morphing from one deadly creature to another, while the animorphs morph from weak creature to a deadly one.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: morfowt on September 19, 2008, 05:07:04 PM
Um...I think it's something like in #52, Jake tells the others to wait for the controllers to finish morphing. It's more right or something.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: Starsword on September 19, 2008, 05:31:46 PM
Hahaha, waiting for an enemy to strengthen itself is the worst idea ever.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: Phoenix004 on September 19, 2008, 06:04:26 PM
I know Jake's morals have been questioned several times, but he's usually a nice guy and didn't think it was right to kill helpless people. You may remember that they refused to kill or seriously injure Human Controllers wherever possible.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: SuperBlue on September 19, 2008, 06:09:16 PM
I know Jake's morals have been questioned several times, but he's usually a nice guy and didn't think it was right to kill helpless people. You may remember that they refused to kill or seriously injure Human Controllers wherever possible.

Yea but...this is Visser Three we're talking about. I dont think jake would feel too bad about killing him when he cnt defend himself. I wouldnt feel bad
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: Phoenix004 on September 19, 2008, 06:17:45 PM
Yeah I know that, I was talking about the Human Controllers who end up with the morphing power. As for Visser Three, I'm pretty sure he's been heavily guarded almost every time we've seen him morph. Plus he probably morphs fairly fast due to lots of experience, so it's unlikely they'd reach him while he's vulnerable.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: Terenia on September 19, 2008, 08:21:51 PM
Would have been realistic to see an attempt, though. Even if it was a failure.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: SuperBlue on September 20, 2008, 07:50:57 AM
Yeah I know that, I was talking about the Human Controllers who end up with the morphing As for Visser Three, I'm pretty sure he's been heavily guarded almost every time we've seen him morph.

when have a lot of Hork Bajir and Humans ever stopped the animorphs? and when Visser 3 fought Tobias in the book where u find out Elfangor is his dad, he wasnt guarded by anyone. It was just him, Tobias, and the Hork Bajir kid the animorphs were trying to save. so there was another chance for an Animorph to kill Visser Three in mid-morph. Wait....was it just the three of them? I gotta re-read the book but Im pretty sure the other controllers were being occupied by the other animorphs.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: MySTiC SkyE on September 20, 2008, 11:07:35 AM
yeah...
it never really made sense to me either.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: shift on September 20, 2008, 11:42:29 AM
im not why they didn't at first but later on they realized they need visser1 and 3 alive, of course when it became all out war they lost any incentive to leave him alive so i dont know
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: wolfev on September 20, 2008, 11:52:56 AM
Well it doesn't make much sense reality wise but plot wise Visser can't be defeated to the end. Who else are they going to fight in the final epic battle? Plus they needed Alloran for Ax's challenge.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: Liehon on September 20, 2008, 12:21:31 PM
Um...I think it's something like in #52, Jake tells the others to wait for the controllers to finish morphing. It's more right or something.
In war there's no right or wrong. Either you kill or you get killed. Anything in between only jeopardizes you and your teammates.
Moral ethics can be discussed in therapy sessions once peace has returned.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: SuperBlue on September 20, 2008, 01:36:58 PM
I know this is off topic but. Who's Mertil? I remember Cassie mentionign her twice in #50
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: Duff on September 20, 2008, 03:41:39 PM
another thing is that they didnt know what he was morphing into, it would be stupid to go rush something that could suddenly spit acid and immediately kill you, you never know when the dangerous parts are gonna finish morphing

also, this ones kinda obvious lol but hes morphing already, so any injuries will just heal lol
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: RYTX on September 20, 2008, 05:32:12 PM
dittoing what's already been said, but I also think he may have been quick enough or skilled enough to not be as totally helpless in mid morph.
20 years with a morphing, plus Alloran's own time doing it,that's a lot of practice.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: traycon3 on September 21, 2008, 12:13:28 PM
I know this is off topic but. Who's Mertil? I remember Cassie mentionign her twice in #50

If I'm thinking of the right person, Mertil is a male Andalite living on Earth without a tail-blade. He is also allergic to the morphing technology and is thus unable to regain the half of his tail that was cut off. It's in book 40ish. The one with Marco morphing the bee. Mertil was originally living with another Andalite.

As for the Animorphs not attacking Visser Three, I'm not really sure why they never did...Maybe it became habit.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: XenomorphLV426 on September 21, 2008, 02:37:36 PM
Mertil = ze gay fighter pilot, ja.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: traycon3 on September 21, 2008, 03:30:42 PM
Lol, I'm not the only one who picked up on that one?
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: tobiasthehawk on September 21, 2008, 05:27:50 PM
Mertil = ze gay fighter pilot, ja.


I am glad I am not the only one with this opinion ;D
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: Chad32 on September 21, 2008, 05:41:34 PM
You guys think Mertil is gay? I haven't read that book in a long time, so I don't remember much. What makes you guys think he's gay?
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: morfowt on September 21, 2008, 06:52:35 PM
You guys think Mertil is gay? I haven't read that book in a long time, so I don't remember much. What makes you guys think he's gay?
Beats me.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: Gafrash on September 22, 2008, 08:17:11 PM
I just got done readin the fight seen in book #50, when a thought entered my head. Why do they always let Visser Three morph. in 50 when he started morphing Cassie went to make sure Kelly(Auxillary Animorph) was ok. after some talking and narration tht would probably have been about 3 or 4 mintues long, Visser Three's morph was comeplete and a perfect oportunity to kill him while he's morphing, was wasted. He always chooses ridiculously huge morphs that probably take while to comeplete and in the mean time, he's probably as helpless the Animorphs when they're in mid-morph. I dont get it, as smart as the Animorphs are im shocked they've never tried to get him while he's morphing

Fair crack of the whip, this is a most opportune moment to take down the Visser. Another is when he is in his distinguishable human morph and also when feeding his host body. Except, as we have read, rare are the occasions where he is unguarded and unescorted. Or where the Animorphs are healthy and in control of the situation enough to take him down for good.
Also, I am pretty sure a blow to the head would kill a subject in midmorph. Cassie totally squashed the Ant/Cassie. The Auxiliary Animorphs were trying to demorph when the Visser ordered their incineration.
Just face it, the vile evil slug is in the body of an experienced War Prince Andalite morpher.

Going off on a tangent, if I may, I never quite got how that battle scene in #50: The Ultimate worked. Cassie described the scene as the hospital's rear truck deployment lot or something??? Can't remember. But I just couldn't picture that entire ZOO and whole alien mob and dracon fire happening in any hospital premises. No lot would be big enough.


Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: cenovia on September 23, 2008, 09:29:42 AM
Because they never really wanted to kill the Visser. In the early books, it was because he had Alloran's body. If you remember, Ax attempted to take his life, as well as Alloran's own brother, but couldn't bring themselves to do it. Cassie said, "As long as there is life, there's hope."

Mid-series, they didn't want to kill Visser 3 because, as Tobias said, it was a case of the devil you know vs the devil you don't. They had realized that killing the Visser would accomplish nothing and might actually hurt them if a smarter Visser replaced him. Either way, the war wouldn't end because of the death of one yeerk.

In the later books, reason #2 didn't apply, but they still didn't prey on him midmorph because Jake wanted to retain some semblance of honor. He made the new Animorph motto "Fight the yeerks, don't become them."

In the end they freed Alloran so I suppose it was the right thing to do.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: Gafrash on October 09, 2008, 07:03:08 AM
Hey, here's a ponder I think worth writing here:

I don't exactly get the description of a Yeerk's blindness in the series... It appears that at the beginning of the series the Yeerks are meant to be plain 100% blind and deaf in their natural state, but SOMEHOW they had to be able to detect an earhole cannal for a way into a potential host. So later on in the series, via Cassie, we learn that they have INFACT got some sort of limited echolocation. Limited BUT it works in liquid AND air substances.

Bring up the number of occasions we've had the Animorphs go for a swim in the Yeerk Pool, HOW did they manage to jump in the pool, DEMORPH amid all the slugs and remorphed without ever being infested in the process. Don't the Yeerks have a sense for precisely finding those ear canals within the Yeerk pool????

What gives, K.A.?!? Are the Yeerks a 'special' quirky type of blind or something??????

OH! And more to the point, how is it that a Yeerk can normally stretch and squeeze itself into a host's cranium and brain and get killed/squashed/dies when stepped on???? I don't exactly get their physiology either....
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: OrcaMorph on October 09, 2008, 05:21:24 PM

OH! And more to the point, how is it that a Yeerk can normally stretch and squeeze itself into a host's cranium and brain and get killed/squashed/dies when stepped on???? I don't exactly get their physiology either....

Now THAT is a brilliant observation. Never occurred to me. But I have no idea how to answer it.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: Gafrash on October 10, 2008, 09:17:30 AM
I guess because they are extra-terrestrials, they can get away with it.  ;)

Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: Chad32 on October 10, 2008, 04:42:27 PM
I think it might be like what contortionists do. There are people that can bend themselves in amazing ways, but if someone else takes that person and starts twisting them around it could hurt them.

It may take a bit of focus and careful maneuvering to shift through an ear canal so they don't hurt themselves, but if someone steps on them it just crushes them.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: yrkd88 on October 11, 2008, 12:05:23 AM
Also, how is it that a Yeerk can get through [at least a Human] ear canal without damaging their host's hearing? I'm not an expert on ear anatomy or anything, but i'm pretty sure there's no space under or around the ear drum they could squeeze past. Which would mean that they'd have to drill through causing hearing loss for the host, after the Yeerk had managed to puncture through the drum somehow.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: OrcaMorph on October 11, 2008, 12:19:01 PM
Yeah this is true; I think this is one of the biggest 'suspension of disbelief' points.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: Liz on October 11, 2008, 03:45:05 PM
How would you even get from the ear to the brain anyway?  You'd have to go through a nerve or something.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: Chad32 on October 11, 2008, 03:53:19 PM
I'm not sure, but she needed some way for a Yeerk to get into the brain. The ear seems pretty plausable for kids that don't know enough about anatomy.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: Cloak on October 11, 2008, 04:22:27 PM
Unless I'm mistaken, people use to think that's how earwigs use to get to your brain, but not to wrap around it, but to eat it.  Of course, that's been proven false. . . .
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: zaprowsdower on October 11, 2008, 05:04:33 PM
Maybe they cut thorugh the drum and then secrete a membrane over the hole?
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: morfowt on October 11, 2008, 07:06:32 PM
I was thinking they sort of merge with the drum and sort of become it, then come out the other side. the merge with the nerve cells to get to the ear...am i making sense?
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: zaprowsdower on October 12, 2008, 01:00:48 PM
No, not really. :P
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: traycon3 on October 22, 2008, 10:43:54 AM
Well, she could have made them go through the nose, but then you'd have to worry about snot in your brain.
Besides, don't the Yeerks drill through something at some point? *Hasn't studied human anatomy in ages*
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: V2113 on October 22, 2008, 02:21:09 PM
They don't want to kill him. If they do, he would be replaced by someone more clever, like Visser One. It didn't take her long at all to figure out they were Human.

On the other hand, Visser One is the one pushing for a covert infestation. In a way she would be more dangerous, but on the other hand she can't morph. She also doesn't want to go out in the open with the war.

Better the enemy you know, than the one you don't. Therefore, they don't try too hard to kill Visser Three.

Not to mention the inability to cope Marco may have with fighting his mom.
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: AniDragon on October 22, 2008, 03:29:59 PM
Well, she could have made them go through the nose, but then you'd have to worry about snot in your brain.
Besides, don't the Yeerks drill through something at some point? *Hasn't studied human anatomy in ages*

I think they mention at one point that they kind of move things around. So maybe they're able to push things to the side, and then move them back afterwards?
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: zaprowsdower on October 22, 2008, 11:16:50 PM
Heh, when you think about it, Yeerks are really wonders of evolution, aren't they? I wonder how that went...
Title: Re: You know what I dont get
Post by: UEDfleet on November 22, 2008, 02:14:48 AM
meh, its not too hard to beleive just look at some of our old Earth Creatures.